[quote]it clearly shows that bungie did know that they were blowing smoke up everyone's ass[/quote] Not taking sides but I would like to clarify. The graph he shows is to demonstrate how game developers should plan their game engines in such a way that it can accept the huge amounts of future content it will receive without dying in the process and requiring a rewrite, modifications, or quick fix. As he says 'Content Arrives Quickly' - artists can create new assets for development much quicker than a developer can transform those assets into actual game assets. And when pushing these huge updates that are delivering a GB or more of content, you need a game engine that can receive, sort, distribute, and deliver that content effectively without crashing. Also in regards to the E3 demo he mentioned, [b]YES [/b]you are partially correct. It would appear Bungie hired a large group of artists to come in and polish the demo so that it looked amazing when presented at E3. Consequently, this is also why they suggest that the final game will be open world and you can explore all terrain. However, it would seem that once the game was closer to ship they realized that this was not possible when porting to older consoles because of memory/technology constraints. Thus the final game was toned down to accommodate a larger audience - this is why I don't agree with game companies making next-gen games and then porting them to last-gen consoles, but what ya going to do? They want as much money as they can get. I think the overarching theme is Bungie over-estimated what they could develop in the timetable they had to work with. I think they truly believed vanilla Destiny would be more than it is. This guy clearly states that they made many mistakes and false assumptions when creating the new engine that required them to go back and rewrite core functionality to accommodate what they were trying to deliver. So the framework is there, it would seem, and can be expanded upon in the future. Future iterations of Destiny should be more up to the standards we were all looking for, but I still don't feel that excuses them from the lack of features they actually delivered. Anyways, my point is I don't think they were 'blowing smoke' up anyone's ass, I think they simply thought they could deliver more than they actually did - which isn't to say they aren't working on making that happen now. Thanks for posting this, it really changed my opinion on a few things in Destiny. TL;DR - stop being a lazy and just read it

Lmao so you think it's ok to charge for the first two medium sized expansions, but one massive one should be free?

I'm in the same boat I believed the hype and night the season pass when I bought the game, only to be disappointed. I will play through house of wolves because I paid for it. And if I don't see major improvements and a low cost or free comet dlc I will not be playing this game after HoW

Don't you know? Money is our God . What do you expect ?

I'd give a -blam!-, but your girlfriend already took all mine.

I've been following Destiny from the first announcement all the way through to release. I remember the videos, images, concept art, blah blah blah that showed what Destiny was pre-launch. Yep, Destiny post-launch is only (I'm just throwing out a number here) 40% of what they first put on the display. Hell, even the Companion App was more involved and tied into the game than it's current involvement with the website. - Inclement weather - Time of day was based on our own solar system's time of day in correlation to the planet/moon you were on - Pikes were what our sparrows are (without the front cannons) - Large playable areas that could be vastly explored - Weapons were class based - Bosses dropped loot - Faction Shaders/Ships were purchasable - Warlocks were originally a Saboteur class, primarily focusing on buffing friendlies, debuffing enemies. [spoiler]"Would you like to know more?"[/spoiler] It doesn't take watching a video to know any of this and realize Destiny Now is not Destiny Then. Guess what? Knowing this, I still pre-ordered. I still stood in line for a midnight release. I still purchased it. I'm still playing it. In fact, looks like you still are too. So, what's the point of this post or any like it? 5 minutes of Internet Champion Forum Fame? It won't get you anything. This can reach over 9,000 likes and be the #1 Trending topic and Bungie still won't admit it, change it, rehash it or whatever. Maybe come Comet, they've learned a thing or two or, at the very least (one can hope) Destiny 2 is what Destiny 1 should have been. TL:DR - Destiny isn't what it was supposed to be. Does it upset me? No, just disappointing. Do I still enjoy the game? You bet your ass I do! It's simple. If you like it, continue to play it. If you don't like it and feel like you were "robbed", cowboy up, move on and stop indirectly necroing forum threads that countless others before you posted.

From what I've heard, comet will be free

They most certainly are charging you for comet! Lol, 12 story missions, a new subclass, and a bunch more stuff is not going to be fore free

LOL. Yawn... When are you people going to realize that just b/c something is done before release doesn't mean you're entitled to it? You buy what they choose to make available. It doesn't matter what environments, weapons, etc were completed pre-launch - a launch package is put together with X amount of content and you choose whether or not to buy it. Don't blame Bungie b/c you didn't wait for a review. Don't blame Bungie b/c you aren't familiar with how MMOs (which this is btw) roll out content. Ignorance is no excuse. You can blame Bungie on their poor TDB marketing. Should've been called a content update instead of expansion. Initial investment doesn't make you entitled to anything but what came along with it. I've said this before, but all the tech that you buy was completed way before you bought it's predecessor. If you don't think the iPhone 6s or 7 was already finished before you bought the 6, you're utterly uninformed. I hold any dev accountable for bad moves and Bungie has made some poor decisions with certain things in regards to Destiny, but what you guys are complaining about isn't one of them. Want to complain about 32s getting Ascendant Shards as Nightfall rewards - I'm with you there. Crota's End not forcing players to carry their own weight? - I'm there with you on that one too. But in regards to it's initial content offering and the way they are rolling out subsequent content, complaining is a sign of ignorance. Plain and simple.

If you dont work for free, why should they?

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