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Edited by cusman:
2/10/2015 8:01:03 PM
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Explain how this is Random
I don't get any Hawkmoon from anything ever, until DLC drops, and then one week, 3 Hawkmoons like back to back (from different activities like Nightfall, Raid, etc)
One of the other weeks I got 3 Universal Remotes (I already had an older one from way back). So last week one of the Raid finally gave me Monte Carlo (never had before). Now in Crucible it drops another Monte Carlo for me.
I get about 3-5 Exotics each week (excluding anything from Xur) from one activity or another, but its pretty consistent that they tend to come in series. I know plenty of others describe similar. Even before DLC I remember getting (as drops) a series of Plan Cs, a series of Truths, and so on.
How is it random when they come in series? How do I signal to the game I have had enough of this "new one" and please give me the next one you been holding out against me (something I have never had drop).
When do I finally get the following?
Four Horseman (got it today 2/10/2015)
Gjallahorn
Thunderlord
Edit: Based on your responses, again I say how is it Random when it is so clearly managed with some kind of individualized grant / withhold scheme in place, that very slowly opens up access to additional exotics that are new/first for you.
Edit: Now that I got Four Horseman, I expect I will get a series of those over this week and then hopefully next week or two and then it will finally be either Thunderlord or Gjallahorn.
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#Destiny
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4 RepliesEvery player gets a loot table every week. You might get the same exotics in a week because it's the only ones in your loot table.
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Bro I know your pain. [spoiler]i got 4 plan Cs in a span on a week and a half.[/spoiler]
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4 RepliesOk, I'm going to explain something regarding computer programming. This is also based on the fact that I haven't seen Bungie's code for Destiny... but this is the basics of how Random works in programming. You give it a 'Seed' value. It then uses that value as the basis to generate it's 'randomness'. This is due to the fact that nothing is every actually random. Here is a very small perl script example: #!/usr/bin/perl srand(5); for ($x = 0; $x < 20; $x++) { print rand(10) . "\n"; } this prints 'random' numbers... what's fun is... it's the same 20 numbers. Every. Single. Time. The same 20 numbers. Why? I called a random function right? It's the same numbers because in a computer nothing is ever truly random. It's Pseudo-random. The reason the numbers are always the same is because of the srand (seed random) is always 5. If we change srand(5) to say, srand(10) then the numbers will be vastly different... but they too, will be the same 20 each time you run it. it won't be the same 20 numbers as when it was seeded with 5, but still every time you run it, as long as the seed is the same, the numbers will be the same. Most people seed it with something like, the current time, so it generates different numbers each time it's run... but if you know what the seed is (ie: if you know what time it was when it was run) you can reproduce it. Now, I'm certain that Bungie's code uses something fairly complex to generate it's seed value. I don't know what it is... and I'm fairly certain that the seed value doesn't change very often. That's the real problem, is the seed value only changes every so often. Now, I believe their may be ways to force the seed value to change, but I don't know what it's based on, so I can't say for sure. Maybe it's based on the length of the gamer tag and some other thing (ie: the current time in epoch) or many other possible values. It gets more complicated, because the numbers are then used to pull weighted values from a table of items. I'm nearly positive though, that this is why once you finally get something, you get it a whole lot more... but only during that iteration of the seeded value.
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I personally don't think it's random at all. It's a carefully crafted carrot chasing system to keep people playing. Just my opinion though.
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Wow your lucky
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8 RepliesYeah. So check this...in 8 days time I got: No land beyond x4 (yes 4 of them) Truth x2 Patience and time x2 The last word Pretty random. If this was vegas, id be happy with 4 of a kind. But alas, its not vegas, its shit.
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I wish I got 1 exotic a week let alone 3-5.
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Edited by cusman: 2/11/2015 2:20:16 PMAs predicted, once I got that first Four Horseman, the next time I got another Exotic (in different activity), it was again the Four Horseman Note: For some reason, the Four Horseman starts at 286 damage instead of 300 like all the rest of 331 Exotics
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1 ReplyBeats me. I nearly ALWAYS get Plan C when I get exotics. To-date, I've had 18 of them. Yes. 18. It's a great weapon, but 18 of the same gun!?!?!?
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5 RepliesWhat you described is the very definition of random.
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Yeah this happens to me as well with almost every exotic except red death and ghorn so far I got three hard lights last week Five thunderlords in a week a month ago Three UR's one week And the day i bought icebreaker back when xur first sold it i got like five after that lol
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[quote]How is it random when they come in series? [/quote] That is how random events typically work, especially over the whole player space.
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9 RepliesDo you really need us to explain RNG to you? Getting a drop does not increase or decrease the chance of getting it again (its random). Getting multiple drops in a row are evidence of RNG.
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Random number generator loot system generally works like this... Items A,b,C, and D are assigned numbers from 1 to 10. A=1,2,3,4 B=5,6,7 C=8,9 D=10 Every time you're given a chance for loot a number is rolled out of 10. Let's say A is "no loot", B is junk, C is shards, and D is a legendary/exotic. Each of those breaks down into another table that includes various items. I'm fairly sure there are weekly loot tables in effect, which would explain why some weeks it seems everyone gets the same item (also has Xur implications). This is an extremely simplified structure, but conceptually this is what happens.
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I haven't gotten an exotic across 2 characters in like 4 weeks.. Don't complain.
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7 RepliesYou seem to be confusing "random" with "predictable" and "even". This is a known problem with other "random" generators. Famously Ipods are not [i]truly[/i] random, they had to make them "less random in order to feel more random" because users were complaining of them playing the same song multiple times, playing consecutive songs from an album, playing several songs by the same artist in a row, etc. I.e, the human brain is really, [b]really[/b] good at pattern recognition, and we will pick up on these patterns, even if they are the result of genuine randomness (or rather near random computer simulated randomness). Basically, Bungies RNG is [i]too[/i] good. It's too random for the human brain to cope with, it needs to be less random, it needs to have some sort of "memory" which allows it to avoid giving out consecutive similar rewards.
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That's weighted RNG for you pal. All I need is gjallarhorn and fang of it out and I'll be happy.although 95% of my exotics are primaries it seems like an odd coincidence
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That is the definition of RNG.
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The same reason I was at a roulette table on my last vacation and it rolled 00 3 times in a row.
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1 ReplyThese sort of event actually reenforce that the system is random.
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1 ReplySomething that is truly random could feasibly drop you a single exotic a thousand times. Because each roll is unique and doesn't take other rolls into effect, that is truly random. What you want, a random gun *that you don't have* isn't nearly as random. Outside of Xur I'm lucky to get an exotic a month, so please kindly quit whining.
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2 RepliesI feel you man I need 5 exos and I've gotten 3 truths in the past month. 3 uni remotes in the past month. 4 dB and 4 NLB in the past 2. That's all I ever get tbh at this point. It's driven me far away from destiny. I only play on Tuesdays for the most part now
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2 RepliesRNGesus. He's cruel some days and moderately cruel on other days.....
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It took 20+ vogs to get my first epilogue and when i got my first i ended up with 3 within 15 hours and only very recenty have i gotten my fourth at 60+ vogs
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I havent had an exotic drop for weeks so count your blessings
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You get 3-5 a week? until a couple weeks ago I got none whatsoever since November! I beat raids and opened chests and got none. in fact I still haven't had a duplicate weapon, but grateful for that. so I now own red death from chest , 4th horseman from en gram, thunderbird from nightfall today and the two dlc ones from xur the past couple of weeks.
