I was in a strike lobby today and was talking to these two guys, all level 31. I asked if they wanted to bang out the vault real quick cause we were bored and one of them said they never tried it before. I didn't even know what to say. Your guys thought? EDIT: I'm not here to diss anyone who hasn't completed the raid yet I'm just pointing out a major flaw in the game. This guy who has never even attempted the games biggest and hardest challenge outranks someone who has completed it countless times and grinded hours for a full set. This is not right imo. I'm also not saying not to but vendor gear either. I had 3 30s pre DLC and got full sets of vanguard gear for all 3 classes. That's just how the game goes. I personally thought that was interesting to see someone at nearly max level that never did VOG. So it goes to show that level honestly means nothing I guess... EDIT 2: So a lot of people in the comments have come to a consensus that they feel like bungie handed out gear to everyone. I personally believe that they should have had a higher level requirement to buy vanguard gear instead of 20. In a perfect gaming world the minimum level to buy gear should be 30. But obviously many people never got full VOG gear due to lack of time or just didn't have the luck. I think it should have been at least 28 or 29 tho as it is fairly easy to obtain that rank. This would have also prevented people from buying the game and going from 20 to 31 in a matter of hours. Also it would kind of force people to complete the VOG before taking on the next raid head on. EDIT 3: I think some people are getting the wrong idea here. I never said anyone was forced to raid even thought it's the biggest piece of content in the game by far. I just pointed out a shortcoming on bungies part. I don't think that the biggest and most enjoyable part of the game is made obsolete with absolutely no incentives or reasons to play it anymore. I loved the VOG and even offered the poor guy to try it out for the first time. For some reason he had no interest in completing it at all and just left after the strike. I thought that was pretty weird to be honest. EDIT 4: Well it seems like there are a lot of you guys who also are 30+ and haven't competed the raid yet. If you haven't done either VOG or CE I will happily help anyone do it (I'm on Xbox 360). Lvl 32 Hunter Lvl 31 Titan Lvl 31 Warlock I can help with pretty much anything in game and get a team together very quickly if you guys want a raid team. Just leave you GT down below and I'll try and hit you guys up as soon as possible. For those on other consoles good luck finding a team and try to bang that out. I use the recruitment section a lot in the forums to find quick and good teams to raid with. Hope you guys are able to get that raid done! Questions, Comments, Concerns?