It is defiantly solid pvp and I enjoy it. However it isn't the best. It has weak game modes with small maps. Combined arms is hurt by few players in the map etc.

Let me know when the game has implemented: 1). 'True Skill' component into the matchmaking, so everyone is playing with people of there same skill level. THAT'S balance. That's fun. Go back to Halo 2 ranking systems ! 2). The game has an 'Opt Out of Parties' or a ' No parties' checkbox option. If you go into the Crucible solo, and are matched with a bunch of completely randoms, the other teams should be as well. Even the Playing field. Getting put on a team of 5 randoms that refuse to use their team chat *at all*, and all go five separate directions, while the opposing teams are all in party chat, sticking together to control zones, control lanes, heavy amo, etc, while having 2-3 of their guys shooting one, so its 2-3 and sometimes 4 VS. 1 IS STUPID. And yes, you all bragging on the forums about some match with your 39.0 k/d that got it shooting people in the back who didn't see you because they were fighting someone else, *YOU HAVE NO REAL SKILL*. Go check your ego, you're trash, you'll never be a Michael Jordan making millions because of your k/d. Go back to masturbating over your k/d kid. And finally, 3). Modes. DUH. IB should be standard. Capture the flag, where is it? Modes that don't revolve around k/d for the win or points. The old Halo keep away game with the ball. You know, MODES. Add some. Do that, and we'll talk. Until then OP, I disagree fully with your post.

Until it has a good consistent connection it's just a joke. Every game there is someone lagging or you melee trade or die round a corner. Connection>everything else in PvP. Until then it's just for bounties for me.

This post is a joke. I'm really hoping this isn't serious.

The crucible is great. Some players just get all butt hurt by the fact that they wont go 25-0. It is much more balanced than most mp games. There is a fairly large diversity of weapons used compared to games like cod where everyone uses the same 2. Some players just need to think that they are so great and whine when someone kills them with a special they cry and complain. Its fun, there isnt much camping, and if you are good you can constantly get a ton more points than anyone else.

Destiny pvp is one of the most unbalanced competitive multiplayer shooters out there. It is the epitome of an activision shooter: an adrenaline fueled, poorly balanced and easily accessible shooter created to maintain a solid casual fanbase. My only gripe is that nothing else is currently available for me to play on PS4, considering multiplayer fps games have been my major gaming interest for the last 17 years.

If you believe Crucible PvP is what balanced, fun multiplayer feels like, you have no idea what such a game looks or feels like. There are two possible ways to balance Destiny's PvP based on its game design: shooter-like, or RPG-like. In an RPG scenario, gear, level, and class would all have bearing. They don't in Destiny so we have to skip over that, so onto Destiny as a shooter. Shooter games should have a wide variety of gamemodes, maps, and viable gun choices (situationally, of course). The first aspect: gamemode variety, so let's cover that first. There are no imaginative gamemodes or even a variety of them. There's Deathmatch and FFA. Sure there's Control and Salvage, but the former still relies on kills for score and the latter is never around. By this logic, there are only two real gamemodes. Likewise, the maps aren't all that varied. Want long range? We got two maps for you. Looking for balanced medium range? Nothing. Close range? Boy oh boy do we have you covered. Sure they look different, but the maps are the same at their core. Finally, the weapon balance. Do you see Scout Rifles aside from the VoC and MIDA and Pulse Rifles regularly? Wanna know why you don't? It's because the maps are so small there is no niche for Scouts and Pulses to exist, let alone excel. Auto Rifles hit hard enough that getting shot by one induces flinch equal to the other rifle types. Hand Cannons are just something else, but the ranges of the maps allow for them to do what a Scout Rifle should do: stay on the outskirts and shoot in at the enemy. Special Weapons are a different beast. Shotguns and Fusion Rifles are prevalent throughout because, again, lack of medium and longer ranges. Snipers you may see, but only in the Iron Banner when certain ones pull off one-shots, long range.maps, or maps with one line of sight and a camping spot. Heavy Weapons are...heavy. Noting too wrong with them in the arena/Halo-style power weapon grab game design, except this isn't that. This game emulates a custom-loadout shooter like Call of Duty more heavily. TL;DR: There is bad design driving Crucible in weapons, maps, and gamemodes.

If terrible netcoding, shit balancing,stats meaning nothing, lag, and secondary abuse, and primaries being moot, lack of standard modes, 11 crucible maps, that for the most part are cqc shit fests, etc, you consider one of the best pvp modes in years, I pity your choice in mutplayer games, theres nothing wrong with liking it, but its not even close to being one of the best, its somewhere around call of duty in awfulness

This is a Joke right? Destiny's PVP takes less skill than even Metroid Prime 2's PVP. Titanfall may have been a hige letdown to many butt it's the best (new) Shooter pvp game-play by far this year. Crucible is as bad as CoD Ghosts.

It's not. The netcode is terrible. Worst in the industry. Worse than BF4 at launch. Map design makes me ashamed there is any possibility that anyone who made Halo 2 maps made these.

I will never understand the fascination of spawning with shotguns and other shotgun-like weaponry.

Destiny 2:introducing kill streaks

No lifer says its the best pvp, ever. Must be true.

Just LOL . You never played Cod 2 or 4 ? That was the ultimate PvP of all time . Destiny's is utter garbage , hence the reason hardly anyone plays it

I do not like crucible, iron banner was OK.