I get what you're trying to say here, in one way or another everyone has had to deal with what you're talking of but without assigned raiding parties things will go bad one way or another. A personal comment tho, 2 hours is way to long. You should only need 1/2hr - 1hr normal. What else can I say to you but if you're not happy with the raid crew, get as many of you're friends together and just pick up the rest most people are willing and thankful.

[quote]I try to run the raid daily and most of the people I run into out there are cool but OMFG there are those few morons who really need to learn some manners. Here are some things right off the top of my head that I've wanted to say to a few of them: 1. If you are a level 30, it [b]DOES NOT[/b] mean you are better than anyone else in the group, it means you got lucky with drops... that's it. So stop acting like a complete douchebag and quit trying to lord that 30 over everyone else in the game. 2. If you get invited to a group who has a solid plan, don't try to boss them around with statements like "well, we do it like this" or "you should do this or that". If you are the add to an established group then be a team player and go along with their plan or start your own f'king group! Of course it's different if they ASK for advice or don't actually have a plan, but even then, be nice about it... don't start ordering people around.. 3. OMFG, stop with the insane chit chat. One of the biggest reasons I try to avoid little kids and teenagers.... they simply won't shut the hell up. [EDIT] I am not talking about casual conversation, which is fine. I'm talking about non-stop-how-are-they-even-breathing chatter boxes. 4. Don't be drunk. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "I play better when I'm drunk"... Ummm newsflash, no you don't, you just [i]think[/i] you do. If you really do, then I'd hate to see how much sh*ttier you play sober because you are [b]not[/b] playing good in this game. Passing out at Atheon... JFC... really? Seek help! 5. Don't join a game if you don't have a minimum of 2 hours. Yes, it can be done faster, a lot faster, but sometimes there is someone in the group struggling because it's their first time so it might take longer. Don't join a game if you have to leave in 20 minutes. 6. Please don't be that a-hole who gets mad and yells when someone makes a mistake and it causes a wipe. They didn't do it on purpose, your yelling doesn't do anything but bring the group down and newsflash YOU AREN'T perfect either! These are the first things that come to mind... anyone got things they want to add?[/quote] 1. Actually it does. Level 30s do 20% more damage and take 20% less damage than a 29. 2. If their way sucks, they should expect to be called out on it. Just because you think a 3 hour run is acceptable doesn't mean I do. 3. There isn't really a lot of communication needed anymore. If you're having side conversations and keep dying or not doing what you're supposed to though, then you're getting kicked. 4. If someone wants to have a few beers after a long week at work while playing a video game, let them do it. If someone is being counterproductive, then kick them. 5. A two hour run is unacceptable. Step your game up kid. If you're not completing it in under an hour, you're doing something wrong. A little bit over an hour if you're doing it on hard. 6. You shouldn't be making silly mistakes frequently at this point. If you are, you're getting kicked. One or two over the course of the entire run is fine, more than that gets you the boot. Your list has nothing to do with etiquette. It's you whining and moaning about "how mean the other players are". Grow up and play the game.

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Lf 2 level 30 for hard raid on xbox one. We want to start at oracles. Will to take an experienced 29-28 if you have the oracle check point. Please msg jasontz in game for invite.

7. After raid is done, say goodbye and disconnect from the party before fapping. Or at least mute your mic. But in all seriousness though, i raid with a group of friends that i know and have played games with for years, so our atmosphere is pretty fun and relaxed. everyone is allowed one mulligan per raid, they get one free pass at a costly mistake leading to a wipe, after that one mulligan they get harped on haha.

Whatever/Whoever is suggesting a certain strategy should always be open to questions and potential improvements to it. If people question when I ask them to do something, or say eg. 'I do it this way', I always explain [b][i]why [/b][/i] I asked them to do things the way I said. As an example: I helped a random group beat Aetheon, it was the first time for at least 3 of them. - I told the group that we should always have a player positioned on top of each Sync Plate immediately after teleport. When one of the other players... debated this, I explained the [i]why[/i]. The reason I like this strategy is that it ensures that whichever side the other players were teleported to the portal will be open ASAP it eliminates unnecessary communication ("Left portal"/"Right Portal") allowing the team inside the portal to get on with it, and communicate with each other more easily it ensures that the 2 players on the Sync Plates are safe from Supplicant explosions it ensures that players are positioned on each side of the map in order to more effectively deal with the alternating left/right/left/right Supplicant spawns. A good raid strategy eliminates as many things that can go wrong as possible, and minimises the rest.

Why don't you just start your own little group instead of posting a rant.

Newsflash xD newsflash everywhere!

Add For Competitive Raider. Frost Inbound (Level 29)

Someone who thinks they're funny by screaming "Leeroy Jenkins" then getting destroyed by the templar; except doing it with everything. Minotaurs, Prespeterians (that's what I call them), Gorgon, Aetheon, Suicidal Herpes, basically everything. Hey buddy, you're level 26 and we're carrying you, have the decency to either shut up and stay in the back or don't play at all. /rant

All of this should never have to be said, but the fact that we have to just goes to show how sad our lil society is. Good post. Buyp

PlayStation or Xbox?

I agree with all of these, but more specifically the last one. I tried VoG for the first time a few weeks ago, no idea what I was doing, and the entire time I had some guy yelling at me for dying. Really, I can't learn how to use the relic shield if I've got someone jumping down my throat every time I use a move they don't agree with.