We'll never achieve utopia. But the gay rights movement will succeed in the end, just like the women's rights movement and the civil rights movement.

What? Who said utopia? What the hell are you talking about?

[quote]The world is never going to be accepting of everyone.[/quote] When did I say it would? [quote]No matter how hard you try, you cannot make people accept differences.[/quote] You can change cultural norms and systems, which generally leads to more acceptance by the general populace. While not every treats African Americans with due respect, respect has vastly increased since the Civil Rights era. [quote]The idea that America will eventually become this sort of pretty land full of candy and marshmallows where everyone is accepted for what they are is unrealistic.[/quote] I'm not seeing your point, nearly everyone accepts this, but that's not a valid excuse not to promote equality and create a cultural environment that promotes more acceptance. [quote]There are still plenty of racist people in America, and there always will be. There are lots of neo-[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] groups who hate Jews.[/quote] Their numbers are smaller than the they were in the 1950s, because people challenged racist institutions. Just as numbers of homophobes are dramatically decreasing, because people are challenging discriminatory ideas. [quote]You call that acceptance?[/quote] Do I call those people specifically accepting? No. But do I call our country accepting of Jews and Blacks overall? Duh. [quote]Just look at the discrimination against many religious folk here. Christians in this country are constantly hated, abused and ridiculed.[/quote] Last I checked, Christians have more power than any other social group in the United States, while also acting as the primary cause of discrimination. You generally don't see atheists calling for churches to be shut down, beating Christians up for their religious beliefs, or trying to pass laws preventing the religious from getting married. Christians are far from being the victims in our society. [quote]Why? Because they are different. They don't believe everything that the secular part of our world does, so what happens? The secular part hates them and treats them like crap.[/quote] See my post above. [quote]You call that equality?[/quote] Considering Christians aren't discriminated against wide scale, yes. [quote]People will always be different, think different, and act different. These differences are the crux of why America, nor the world in general, will ever be tolerant of others.[/quote] Last I checked, America is generally pretty tolerant of the differences of others. I mean, I don't see the majority of Americans discriminating against others for racial reasons. [quote]Utopias don't exist, and they never will.[/quote] I'm not calling for a utopia, though. I'm calling for legal equality.