[quote]Solo players need to either adapt or drop D2 and play single player games.[/quote] So you want less players in a game that is already bleeding players? Man what a great take. You must be real fun at parties.

Those same players would have also left regardless because difficulty spikes are inevitable That and if they get bored they piss off to cod anyways for months. You can dumb the game down. It would have bled players regardless. I stopped playing for a bit because of shadow of the erdtree. Others stop playing because they don't like crucible but there is nothing else but the grind You will bleed players no matter what you do

Weak argument, grasping at straws bud.

So anything you don't agree with is grasping at straws nowadays, got it. You must have been a wonderful addition to a debate team, hope you are not a lawyer or politician. I would be embarrassed

And now you're attacking the legitimacy of my opinion that your argument weak? Jeebus dude keep grasping.

If my first response is already an attack then my god. Please go on, I will book you a trip to the mountains, where you can join your fellow snowflakes there. You would somehow offend eachother Again, you just call it out because you have no defense. And if this is your response to anyone not agreeing. Please don't go outside, you wouldn't survive

Never said the first response was an attack. You attempted to use logic to form an opinion in a way that only hurts the population of this game. Which is why I said it was weak. It's a tried and true weak opinion that people use to argue that others have to fall in line with them because they had to as well. It is why people tend to call people that have opinions like this elitist jerks.

[quote]Never said the first response was an attack. You attempted to use logic to form an opinion in a way that only hurts the population of this game. Which is why I said it was weak. It's a tried and true weak opinion that people use to argue that others have to fall in line with them because they had to as well. It is why people tend to call people that have opinions like this elitist jerks.[/quote] Again, you called it an attack on your legitimacy. Not me, you. You typed that. Of course using logic in argument is needed, the fact you aren't speaks volumes why it's comically flawed and why you aren't getting people to agree with you All in all, you should probably take time off this Internet, I recommend it if this is your basic response to anyone not nodding blindly to whatever ridiculous statements you spout

Yes, I did. Because I responded to your first reply to me by saying your argument is weak, you then attacked my character without even knowing me in your next response. That is logical. Don't know where you are trying to go with this at this point. I already gave out what I said and why I think your opinion is a weak argument.

You said "you're grasping at straws" and used that as an argument. Not explaining anything, you then decided to paint me in such a negative light after I called you out on your lack of an argument. Do you believe this is how you discuss stuff? I hope not, this is what toddlers do. And you my sir, are acting like one. You then called an attack, you said you didn't, and then you did again, and I begin to wonder that if this is all you can do, then you must have it really tough in the real world. You wouldn't float at a job, you would sink. Instead of coming with counter arguments you use a stereotype to describe a feeling you don't know I feel. You simply typed it because you felt like you were wrong, but tried to invalidate my argument that way That is why I called you a snowflake, and I hope you are not a lawyer nor a politician or someone in position of power over whoever. Because you would abuse it against anyone not agreeing with you blindly Bro, you're kind of a clown. Plain and simple and instead of anger I feel pity for you, because you felt like this was an attack on your character but in reality you are a character. So overstereotyped I feel sorry for the group you represent. You do not represent the casual gamer, you are a toxic casual, and we can do without you Plain and simple. I encourage casuals who aren't like you, they're wholesome, just like the gamer dad. 😎

Yea, I'm not readin all of that. I have already said what I needed to say. Peace buddy guardian.

[quote]Yea, I'm not readin all of that.[/quote] Congrats, you've just validated everything TheHowlingWolf said by not having the intellectual ability to understand or respond. Stay blissfully ignorant, bud. 👏

Once again, somebody else who missed the point. It's not that solo players don't want to team up with others; these same 'solo' players will happily run strikes, gambit and crucible activities every week. They'll run seasonal and annual events. A lot will have used LFG to complete the current campaign. 'Playing with others' is NOT the issue here. The issue is that Bungie created an activity that REQUIRES that you limit an LFG group to two players only, that REQUIRES a knowledge of mechanics that only normally exist in Dungeons or Raids, that REQUIRES communication and callouts from a community that they know DAMNED WELL are highly unlikely to even speak the same language outside of the US (given that, for example, 94% of the world don't speak English as a first language and 75% don't even speak it at all) And then, after jumping through all the hoops and negotiating all of the barriers that Bungie have thrown in the way, you're then not even guaranteed a specific drop, you have to do it on all three character classes and in order to THEN try for what you ACTUALLY want, you have to run the same activities over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over..... But wait, Bungie have a great idea - why not make you run ANOTHER set of activities over and over and over and over and over and over and over..... in order for you to get a currency you can only use to buy one of the item per account per week and STILL only get a random roll for it! It's just garbage game design; the sort of thing the 'Scarab Lord' would have thought was great (and thank God we're finally free of that -blam!-, too....)

[quote]Once again, somebody else who missed the point. It's not that solo players don't want to team up with others; these same 'solo' players will happily run strikes, gambit and crucible activities every week. They'll run seasonal and annual events. A lot will have used LFG to complete the current campaign.[/quote] These solo players have been telling bungie they got the icky from other people in strikes for years because "muh bounties" as well as "Please add freelance, please add sbmm" because other people playing with friends aggrevated them so much, they kept harping on it as well. You could have a literal burger Joe stack do negative, have the solos mercy the stack and they would still come here to complain It is a general issue for you guys because if it wasn't, you would have fixed it for yourself by now. The problem is mentality. If you don't like socialising that's fine, but go play cod. In actuality, if you needed an lfg for the normal campaign, bro, you weren't going to float whatever hoop bungie would throw at you to obtain the class item solo. Legendary ups the difficulty if you have more in your team. In any case Use LFG, if it really isn't an issue. Proof it. But you won't because guess what all these have in common you mentioned? They don't require communication, it's mindless shooting without thought

That 'whoosh' you heard? That was my entire post going over your head... Your answer to 'people don't want to do it because it's garbage game design' is 'use LFG to access the garbage game design'? Seriously?? As said before, it's not just a case of not wanting to use LFG, because a lot of the people complaining about it can and do use it regularly. It's that before the activity even APPEARS as an option you have to kill three bosses that randomly appear after level three of Overthrow in three different locations - fail to track them down in time and you have to do the Overthrow AGAIN (and at no point in the game does it ever indicate that you need to do this to start off an exotic mission in the first place) Then, once you have the mission you'd have to search for or create an LFG session with these specific caveats: 1) Two players only 2) One player with a light subclass and one with darkness (or both prismatic) 3) Both with mics or decent text input and speaking the same language 4) An agreed set of names for all of the callout glyphs 5) Knowledge of all of the mechanics in the mission THEN you have to take part in a timed mission (which I for one despise in D2, and I don't think I'm alone) that contains a jumping puzzle (probably the only thing I despise 'harder' than timed missions, because I'm playing a shooter, not Super -blam!- Mario) THEN, if you're lucky enough to actually get another rando who understands all of the above and you actually managed to get this mission finished in time, you THEN have to go back and do the whole process AGAIN on two other characters AT WHICH POINT you're then finally ready to start mindless grinding for the actual perk combinations you want from random drops of the very same activity you started off doing in the first place! You're absolutely right that it's an issue with mentality, but it isn't 'These solo players..' that have the problem..

[quote]1) Two players only 2) One player with a light subclass and one with darkness (or both prismatic) 3) Both with mics or decent text input and speaking the same language 4) An agreed set of names for all of the callout glyphs 5) Knowledge of all of the mechanics in the mission [/quote] 1) what does dual mean, I will wait 2) easily solvable. Weapons do the mission, not the abilities 3) Easily solvable, English only on your lfg post 4) For someone who types a lot on their phone. The fact you all don't want to cheat a supposed test with a cheat sheet is astounding 5) 1 video or a test run. I did it in a fever dream with a friend of mine. 2nd tried the mission after understanding the clock. Even more wonderful is, the more optimised your loadout is for add clear, the more time you have for the dreaded jumping and clock. 3rd time I did it on my warlock, we had 22 minutes left on the clock to fight the subjugators. I was running a machine gun with incandescent as my main add clear weapon For perspective sake. That's a lot from running a non pve optimised loadout. Whoosh whoosh, what's that you hear? Common sense departing your cranium at such a rapid pace, its worrying Sorry had to do it. Since you're a funny guy after all

[quote]1) what does dual mean, I will wait [/quote] It's not a default option for that mission - you have to manually select it. THAT's the issue, not the fact that it needs two players [quote]2) easily solvable. Weapons do the mission, not the abilities[/quote] Still requires additional coordination (because everyone will want to bring their favourite weapons which may not fit the bill) [quote]3) Easily solvable, English only on your lfg post[/quote] Great - I live in the UK, but the majority of players in my timezone (i,e, Europe) DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH (not everyone in the world is American). The selection means I'll only get English speakers but I've now dropped the pool of available players that qualify down to 5% of what it was (maybe 10 if I'm lucky). Some countries in the EU speak languages entirely unique to their nation, so they'd be really screwed. [quote]4) For someone who types a lot on their phone. The fact you all don't want to cheat a supposed test with a cheat sheet is astounding[/quote] There are a lot of 'cheat sheets' out there with different names for the glyphs and some which only use nicknames - so which one do you uses, as there's no 'official' one? [quote]5) 1 video or a test run. I did it in a fever dream with a friend of mine. 2nd tried the mission after understanding the clock. Even more wonderful is, the more optimised your loadout is for add clear, the more time you have for the dreaded jumping and clock. 3rd time I did it on my warlock, we had 22 minutes left on the clock to fight the subjugators. I was running a machine gun with incandescent as my main add clear weapon [/quote] Videos are probably how most people will do this but it's a pain to do without a second screen or without having a mobile phone with a decent sized screen (plus referencing it is going to mean lost time which might well p*ss of that rando you just roped in for this) You'll note how all of my answers are 'common sense'. Common sense definitely isn't the issue either. Perhaps I'm better off explaining it through somebody else's words: [quote]I honestly don’t think the reward necessitated the complexity and length of not only unlocking the mission, but running it with only 2 people. I don’t care about using LFG to get it done. I’m a solo player and will dip into LFG when needed or I have friends I can get. That’s not my issue with this whole thing. My issue, and I’m guessing a lot of people, feel that Bungie shouldn’t have developed this in the first place for an item that should be obtainable for everyone.[/quote] I also don't have an issue with LFG - I remember running Zero Hour back on my old account before there even WAS an in game LFG and I had to go to an external website. It took nearly two weeks to find a group that didn't immediately fill up and when I did, I ended up with 1 guy who'd already run it once and somebody who only spoke French. It was challenging, and we ended up having a lot of bad luck on the final boss with two players down at times but we finally did it (with 20 seconds left on the clock)! I got my Outbreak Perfected and felt really proud at doing it - it was a great feeling.* It's just a shame that Bungie go out of their way to make it SO HARD to get that feeling again... *BTW, still hated that timer and the jumping stuff...

There is an official cheat sheet from Vow of the disciple, with the official callouts. They looked at each symbol and wrote down the name bungie gave it and posted it on the Internet for others to find Assuming I am American is a stretch, I live across the North Sea to the east. A lot of European citizens speak English but the more South you go the less likely it is. I live in a country where if you don't know English, good luck getting a job in the big city. There are so many tourists English is a necessity almost. Most put it on their exams as well. Believe me, the player pool is bigger than you make it out to be. English is my second language but I speak and write it better than my native one. Simply because English is easy 🤷‍♂️. The English didn't make any bs rules how to speak something. It's all logical and simple for me

[quote]the sort of thing the 'Scarab Lord' would have thought was great (and thank God we're finally free of that -blam!-, too....)[/quote] God when I heard him say he was a Scarab Lord you could audibly hear my eye roll. I played vanilla WoW, completed most of the raids, just not AQ 40 or Naxx at the time.I came across a few Scarab Lords in my time jumping servers to play with friends. Each time I came across them I could smell a huge stank of "better-than-thou" coming off them. It was off putting to say the least and was obvious that they were like that as most didn't have a guild anymore after they obtained that title and mount.

If you compare the tone of their communications with other players, you'll see a lot of parallels in responses on this forum. Plenty of 'you don't raid, so your opinion doesn't count', 'you have a low K/D, so you don't get a say', 'you don't have a pre-made fireteam, this game isn't for you' responses. Not hard to see where that attitude came from...