I’m sorry but this is a bad take lol. There’s nothing wrong with having ONE CASUAL playlist that’s CBMM. You don’t need everything handed to you on a silver platter.

lol every time. Every single time one of these posts comes up. It's always the same people.

Which game mode are you referring to? Most game modes other than Trials use SBMM. Also, in my opinion, a 1.5 k/d player is not that far off from a 2.5 k/d player. I don't see an issue with grouping those players together

I'm assuming that you're complaining about Guardian Games supremacy being CBMM rather than SBMM. It's simply because PvP does not have the consistent player numbers to support the number of active playlists while running SBMM in all of them. It's not a coincidence that since SBMM came back, they don't run Iron Banner and Trials at the same time, or that IB replaced Quickplay for the whole week at one point. They are very conscious that the current PvP player numbers do not support running a large number of playlists. It makes perfect sense that they would use CBMM for GG Supremacy. What made absolutely no sense is that the lobbies were often crazy unbalanced and there was no mercy rule. I try to look at this issue from both sides. If you're a less experienced or lower skilled player, of course you don't want to get pounded by better players every single game in what is supposed to be the casual mode. you need room to breath and time to take in what's going on around you. Conversely, if you are an above-average or high-skilled player, you don't want to feel like you're in the MLG world finals every match against "meta-loadouts - the fireteam" or dealing with greater frequency of poor connection quality. The question is then how do you accommodate such widely different players in quickplay. I think there are a couple of things that could be done. One is to reduce the team sizes to 5v5 or maybe even 4v4 (D2 maps were built for 4v4 combat). This would help reduce the overall variances in connection quality between players. Connection quality should be the top matchmaking parameter IMO, as this determines the quality of the combat experience; however, matchmaking should absolutely never allow the bottom 10% of players be in lobbies with the top 10%. Would that 100% solve the issue for both sides? I don't know, but I think it would be a reasonable starting point that could be iterated on as required.

Dude your kda it not your kd and if want skill based go play comp or control

This, so much this. Crucible without SBMM is just awful.

Here is my perspective as a top 0.1% player. I personally hate SBMM as a whole system. It’s too strict for casual game modes and it’s not strict enough for competitive game modes. Casual game modes are meant to be casual (shocker) and when you introduce SBMM into those game modes everyone suffers. Look no further than the forums whenever Bungie accidentally made trials SBMM or accidentally made the rotator mode SBMM. The forums were flooded with complaints. This is because regardless of skill level SBMM forces you to have hard close games, that’s the entire point of the system and that will happen regardless if you’re 0.5 kd or 5 kd. The simple fact is you can’t have a casual environment when every game is a nail biter that you need to try your absolute hardest in. It doesn’t work. SBMM also doesn’t belong in competitive game modes because of the opposite problem, it’s not strict enough. In a competitive game mode the matchmaking should be based off rank / elo in order to create a bell curve and consistent good matchmaking. SBMM is the reason a new player or someone who doesn’t play pvp much can match ascendant players on their very first game. It feels weird and clearly again, based of the forum post, people don’t like making the highest ranked players on their first game. So where does SBMM belong if it’s to strict for casual game modes and not strict enough for competitive game modes? I’m not sure, but I will say this. I genuinely see a lot of casual players complaint about CBMM and genuinely want SBMM, I think the demand for a SBMM playlist is important and should be in the game, which there currently is. Bungie is currently making multiple playlist SBMM and multiple playlist CBMM and that’s good. I think more playlist with different matchmaking will help everyone and make the game more enjoyable for everyone. At the end of the day casual players and veterans want the same thing, to have a good game and have fun. So if SBMM needs to stick around in some playlist for casual players to be happy then I say go for it. However CBMM should always be as option and casual game modes should remain casual, and competitive modes should double down on being competitive. It’s a win win for all.

No matter what us players do this match making feels cheated. We will never get back the glory days of PvP. I only play PvP when necessary instead of grinding because players are still using some sort of cheats. That is what drives me away from an all time life in crucible, trials and sometimes Iron Banner. No rewards when players are thrown into a match or anything from getting mercy rule. Nothing good comes out of any PvP activity unless you are using some sort of aim assist, bot, or something to give an advantage of winning. This leads me to try out for four days the PvP in Diablo IV. I hope to check things out and see how Blizzard does for this activity. These days seems that cheaters will always find a way to enter this match making just to cheat their way to victory.

Someone at bungie thinks that players will keep playing when they are curb stomping everyone but the problem is they are constantly losing the players that are getting stomped

Peer to peer and small fragmented player base I prefer sbmm but destiny has so many limitations it makes it hard

SBMM does seem the only correct route to go. Constant blowout matches teach nothing except disdain for other players because everyone's favorite exploits are the PvP metas, and they will take advantage 100% of the time. At least in SBMM its just an inconvenience instead of a full-blown oppressive massacre, with some outliers, but not many if its done right. Just on that alone I prefer SBMM. Never trust the players, always try to be as ahead of exploits as possible. CBMM can't give a good read on issues because of how completely unbalanced it is, so everything is a problem, where SBMM makes things easier to pinpoint issues. If someone is running perfect K.D. matches in SBMM, one can much more safely assume exploitation or some kind of foul play to make it much more easy to identify and fix, and get rid of such players too. Bungie I feel can easier identify what is too overpowered as well, with SBMM. There are many reasons its a solid implementation.