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10/31/2022 3:42:40 PM
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Pop songs that are more impressive than some of your stupid metal

Last Christmas, written, produced, and recorded by George Michael when he was 21 years old. While this song is not as impressive as Everything She Wants (the other half of the double A side, also written, produced, and recorded by George Michael) the song carries enough musical gems in it to devote a post to it. Typically the bane of the musically dimwitted in department stores everywhere, Last Christmas by Wham! is a stunning display of chord mechanics and pop sensibilities. Key wise, its penned in the fairly standard key of D, that’s about where the standard nature ends. Instead of following the boring and predictable ii-V-I or the I-V-vi-IV, it follows the somewhat novel I-vi-ii-V7. This is where the genius slips in. Typically when a musician puts something in a novel progression it stands out and can be a little unsettling, not so. The backing track of last Christmas is so smooth it flies by without notice. How does George Michael accomplish this feat of strange chords without strange reactions? Inversions, 9ths, and the occasional borrowed note. The melody of the intro goes e-d-e-d-e-f#-e-d-e-d-f#-a-g-a-g-f#-e. Typically this is displayed in at the top of the chord, however there are significant portions where the not needed is in the middle of the chord, George moves around this by inverting the chord, which takes the mid note and makes it the top note and makes the former top note the base, which moves the root into the middle. He does this throughout the composition which hides little musical nuggets that our ears pick up subconsciously. A little sprinkling of counter melody and some musical foreshadowing are also present in the intro. That into melody also reflects the melody of the chorus, which when he starts singing, he throws in more tidbits, the chords gain those 9ths, 11ths, and 13ths, for more texture and on the second run through he adds a bell note every so often that matches to certain points of the bridge. Best part is the bridge runs through the song twice, slightly different each time. The two verses also are different. The second verse includes new bell base notes under the melody leading into the refrain, we get a new vocal melody and an extra track stacking with the backing melody. I have an exam, bye!
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  • Ngl I skimmed this cuz most of it went over my dumb metal head, but props for the effort and big [b]brian[/b]. Also well written pop music is underrated.

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  • I enjoy pop, mainly Dr Pepper. But I will drink Coke or Pepsi. I’m not really that picky but if I have a choice it’s DP!

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    • In my eyes Ghost flirts around both genres. Also most mainstream pop has been way oversexualized and is just not fun to listen to. I do listen to 2010-12 pop from time to time though

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      • Reading this post and some of the comments particularly Kelly's, I have to ask Have I been listening to music wrong?

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        • Edited by Manslave2Eris: 11/3/2022 10:20:40 PM
          You have an exam? As in... School? And you are discussing Wham! and George Michael? What happened, you fail 9th grade each year for the last 40 years? :) Not going to lie, as much of a metal head as I was in the 80's I still enjoyed quite a bit of Wham!

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          • I’m not reading all that

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            • [quote]Last Christmas[/quote] I gave you my heart…

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              • Edited by Merribor: 11/3/2022 3:24:37 AM
                >metal slightly disparaged in title >metal literally not mentioned once in 3+ paragraph body >half of the replies mention metal Way to read the whole post, Offtopic

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                • Edited by Quicksilver: 11/3/2022 6:20:23 AM
                  Yeah, this is why I just listen to Lofi.

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                • Hurrr durrr any dream theater fan could under stand that in their sleep hurrr hrrrurururu

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                • An impressive accomplishment for this Geogre Michael no doubt. Unfortunately both of those songs are infuriating.

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                  • I prefer city pop

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                    • I'll be totally honest, I don't like pop in any way. Most of it seems too repetitive

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                    • Edited by CommanderGT60: 10/31/2022 8:07:30 PM
                      You’ve never heard my metal so you can’t judge. Also, not a fan of pop music, as 80% sound similar and are an annoying repetitiveness that lasts 3 minutes. Also structure your posts better so they don’t appear as a wall of text. [spoiler]nibbles crayon[/spoiler]

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                      • I can pretty much listen to any genre of music and find things I like… all except country

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                      • pop songs. do they stick around or not? if something was done right then they tend to stick around. im not gonna concern myself over chord progressions that are overused, chances are that happens to be the case for a reason lemme put on my shitty early 2010s dance pop for the millionth time while i get back to the grind

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                        • Thoughts on Meatloaf?

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                          • All pop is stupid.

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                            • I can pretty much listen to any genre of music and find things I like… all except country

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                            • Everything she wants is my favorite George Michael song. Glad it gets some recognition.

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                              • Nice post. But all music styles has something of value to offer. First off, a I-vi-ii-V progression is actually a common chord progression in jazz and R&B. As are the extended harmonies: the 9ths, 11th, 13ths, etc… Second, harmony is limited in modern music by the use of amplification. The more complex the harmony the more overtones you introduce into the music. At low volume and instruments with warm, woody tone? The ear accepts them as pleasing color and tension. But at high volumes and with instruments with thin or brassy tones? It’s will be experienced by most people as unpleasant noise. Third. Hard rock and metal introduces color and tension in other ways that are valid….just different. Use of pedal tones and shifting harmony against a steady bass note. The use of speed to create tension, as well as the use of exotic scales and tones that Western and modern ears aren’t used to hearing. But at the end of the day we all have our personal tastes. Rhythm and feel are real breakers for me. So while I used to love hard rock and metal into the 90s, that post-Metallica industrial-noise ethic that fuels alot of modern metal just doesn’t speak to me. My former drum teachers call that drum style “make as much noise as possible”. Others refer to it as “typewriter drumming”. TLDR: Form follows function. Harmony and chord choice are strongly driven by amplification and instrumentation. That E7#9 chord sound wonderful coming out of Hendrix’s Strat with just a hint of overdrive. But blast it out of a guitar stack with digital distortion with gain and volume cranked? It’ll make your ears bleed…..and you’ll beg for them yo stop.

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                                • My metal is a steel alloy, and it's trying its hardest, thanks.

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                                  • I see. Counterpoint: I don't much care for pop music.

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                                    • pop songs, food for dubstep remixes...

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                                    • I like George Michael too, but that has nothing to do with metal, which I also like. Don’t like metal, then don’t listen to it. There, problem solved.

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