How about you stop win trading in trials?

Feels like I'm one of the few Warlocks here who are satisfied with their class. For the most part at least. I want a Nova Warp buff and Dire Skull of Ahamkara brought back to its D1 state.

July 12th. Remember that day? 0 kill Competitive win streak and you played on your WARLOCK 😂 So for you it’s , if you can’t beat’em, join’em

It’s funny how everyone said top tree dawnblade was the worst warlock subclass for almost two years and once youtubers start saying it’s good, suddenly everyone here is acting like it’s always been good.

PvP we get 2 subs, one of which is getting nerfed pretty hard when they hit Geomags again. The other of which is really good, but not top tier because of a super that does not have consistent behavior. I'd also put Shadebinder in there, but Behemoth is an almost point for point upgrade in most to all aspects. Warlocks have objectively the weakest base melee in the game, for starters. As getting into a slap fight without about a full second advantage gives you a trade at best, a meter of extra lunge doesn't make a difference when you're at a nearly full second disadvantage. Next up, about half of the subclasses we get are outright mediocre at best, with all trees of Voidwalker and Bottom Dawn taking the absolute bottom of the barrel. Top and Bottom Storm don't fair too much better, and Middle Dawn is good, great even, but not having a super against human opponents (let's be real, Well is trash against any compitent human) really makes it unviable. Hell, out BEST subclass is amazing in SPITE of having an incredibly weak and inconsistently functioning super. Rifts are decent, but are slow, painfully awkward, and are bugged to where you frequently need to do the excessively long animation twice to get it down. Really the only reason I say they're not excruciatingly weak is because either version is really powerful in proactive play.

PVE I'd say yes we're probably the strongest class. As for PVP definitely the weakest class. Regardless of the buffs to Stasis the Winter's Wrath super is extremely weak. It ends quickly, the moment is clunky and its damage resistance is pathetic. For example it took me 3 hits with top tree dawnblade to take down a Behemoth using his super and using Winter's Wrath i can instantly taken out by a single shot from Felwinter. As for Silence and Squall it also holds and advantage over Winter's Wrath because it isn't a roaming super. I once try to kill a Stasis Hunter who popped his Super while i had mine. The result was only being frozen for him while i was again killed instantly by being hit with both scythes. In general Warlocks also have the weakest class ability. The Healing well isn't potent enough to keep you from dying if being fired upon by another player and it requires you to be stationary. So the ability is very situational and if you manage to find a safe spot and time to cast it you might get your health back if the other player isn't rushing you with a shotgun for example. The empowering well has the same issue of forcing you to be stationary. So while we might be the strongest PVE class we are the weakest PVP class and all the classes complain just as much as the other. It is up to Bungie to ensure that there isn't a divide. All classes and subclasses need to be equally as good and powerful.

Wow i can smell the salt from here

I can tell you main hunter just from reading this, don’t even have to look. Quit -blam!-. Hunters make up at least 65 percent of the player base and are catered to by bungie for that exact reason.

It’s ironic that Hunter mains make up 85% of the complaining in these forums, always whining when their overpowered abilities are nerfed, and you’re complaining about warlocks being frustrated for once. Your post is nothing but clickbait and I’m sorry that you have a warlock phobia.

Imagine insulting others when you sit here and blatantly wintrade . In fact you are objectively garbage at pvp so resort to cheating In a videogame . What a loser.

Dumbass hunter main detected. If warlocks were that good everyone would be using them, but they aren't. What class is everyone using again? Oh yeah, H U N T E R S.

If you can't finish a raid without a well, that speaks to your skill as a player. It's insanely easy to do because Tifan bubbles exist, provide more protection, and a larger damage buff. Can't 3 man Atraks with chaos reach. You can with thundercrash + cheat piece. So no, we're not the DPS champs either. Titans outclass warlocks in both dps and support. Get out of 2019. The game isn't like that anymore. Also, warlock stasis was nerfed 8 days into the new dlc (and multiple times since) and has been trash since. It's our new Nova Warp. Was good for a bit and now it sucks and nobody uses it unless they have to. Geomag/Chaos Reach was nerfed for pvp purposes and it's still better than stasis. Our roaming supers are the slowest and easiest to kill and still had a resilience nerf for some reason. Even our next exotic lets us throw rifts whole everyone else's does some bonkers cool thing. "But it might help your teammates", cuz yeah, a single 20%, 15 second damage buff is gonna be the difference between victory and defeat. Gtfo. Being a warlock is good because it forces you to be a multi level player (as we can do both support and dps), but we are not the best at either anymore. I do DSCs half on my Titan these days. Didn't have to do that when well was good. Oh well.

You forgot most mobile as well. When you see how quick a dawnblade can literally go from one side of the map to the other...it's just silly. Saw one the other day complaining about the melee speed being slower even though everyone pointed out they were given longer reach instead.

Every class has weak/ strong subclasses. Every class has weak / strong exotics. They all have issues that need addressing and none deserve special treatment over the others. And you just aren't paying attention if you single out warlocks on this issue, hunters and titans are just as big of babies about their issues.

Clearly got no clue what you are talking about

Thundercrash beats every single warlock super in the game, and it has such incredible synergy for its neutral game that it outshines every possible warlock build. So no, we don't have the 2 strongest light subclasses for pvp, both our good light subclasses are outshined by middle tree striker. And EVERYTHING we have is outdone by both other stasis subclasses. We can't beat a Behemoth super with any of ours, and Behemoth neutral game is cracked beyond all belief, with Revenant also outperforming us in terms of both super and neutral game, because shadebinder is not only easy to run from, but inconsistent as well because sometimes the tracking on our shots works perfectly and other times it anti-tracks, while revenant completely shuts down an entire area for 15 seconds, AND guarantees a kill on every single person hit by the Silence. Our instafreeze is only good in certain situations. It lasts too short to be used at long range, and if we hit you with it then we were going to kill you anyways, because the only truly reliable time to use it is within sidearm range or closer, so you were dead anyways and it's just a way to ensure it. Compare that to Hunters shurikens, which deal Slow (which grants so many debuffs it's not even funny) and give two melees by default, and Titans which can Architect you with a glancing blow, cover the entire map in one melee charge, and also deal Slow to you AND everyone within 5 meters of you on a hit. And when was the last time you showed respect to your Well of Radiance warlock? Nine times out of ten, it's a role given to the warlock with the least experience in the raid, or the player with the lowest skill in the group, and they're treated like a healer in all the worst ways. Yeah, we're top tier for PvE....but only if we're being useful to the players that are actually clearing shit. I could go on and on and on, but I already know some smartass will comment saying something stupid like "yeah, not reading that, anyways you're wrong because I said so". So I'll leave it here, and end by saying that Warlocks have every single right to complain, be it about their status in PvE or PvP.

And how many top tier options does hunter and titan have? Plenty

1. Before Stasis we had only three viable end game builds and two viable subclasses. 2. Shadebinder is the only subclass in HISTORY that got nerfed only 8 days after the drop of a major DLC....and Behemoth is arguably still BUSTED in PVP. 3. Warlocks routinely get nerfed into the ground so that their abilities are "acceptable" (translation, still leave Hunters and Titans with an advantage) in PVP. 4. Warlocks are tuned in a way that violates the underlying power-fantasy for magic users in RPGs. Which is that they trade being relatively weak in physical attributes----like agility and toughness----in exchange for powerful abilities. Destiny 1 was true to that bargain. Destiny 2---in its misguided effort to become an e-sport----violated that bargain. Much of Warlock's power from Destiny1 was taken away....and we were basically given NOTHING in return. We were given Rifts as abilities....which are basically useless in PVP....and have limited value in PVE. 5. Much of end-game content is designed these days to limit the usefulness of Warlock abilities. In short. Warlocks used to be the premiere DPS class in Destiny 1....but got busted down to being a SUPPORT class in Destiny 2....and have been muzzled to keep Hunters and Titans happy in the Crucible.

The 2 Supers you mentioned are the only ones that work, so duhhh, fix the others.