Hi, there. As I'm sure many of you have already realized and some of you might soon realize, Armor 2.0 isn't all it's cracked up to be. Either through massive blunder and mis-execution, ignorance of players' outcry for a nerf to the cost of a Masterwork, or as an act to deliberately infuriate players, Bungie has once again taken a very simple problem with a very simple solution and somehow made it much, much worse. Without really talking about what else makes Armor 2.0 a disaster (like arbitrarily attaching elements to mods for no real reason than to artificially inflate gameplay time or changing the amount of dice you have to roll to get a piece of armor you want from two (perk slots) to six (attribute rolls), I want to go over the most glaring issue. The one the community has been begging to be fixed since before I started playing again in Forsaken after my post-Vanilla hiatus.
In it's old state, Masterworking a single armor piece costed a significant amount of enhancement cores, a relatively rare resource. Enough, in fact, that I never bothered to Masterwork a single armor piece because I could not justify the time spent versus the reward. After listening attentively to it's community, Bungie changed that system by adding two new resources with which to upgrade armor, one of which costs some of the other and the other of which costs enhancement cores. The problem arises in how the cost of the two interact.
The resource you need to finalize a masterwork costs ten of the resource before it. And that doesn't sound too terribly bad at first, until you realize what it costs to buy the first resource. Each one costs 10 enhancement cores, 25 Planetary Materials, and 10,000 (yes, that's ten thousand) Glimmer. If you need ten of these to get the last piece you need, you'll end up paying 250 Planetary Mats, 100 Enhancement Cores, and 100,000 (one hundred thousand) Glimmer. And that might not sound too bad. But you need two of those final resources, meaning that instead of 10 of the one before, you'll need twenty. This will cost you 500 Planetary Materials, 200 Enhancement Cores and 200,000 Glimmer.
This is what the last two of ten steps in Masterworking a single piece of armor is. If you wanted to masterwork a whole set (helm, arms, chest, legs, class), it would cost you 2,500 Planetary Materials, 1,000 Enhancement Cores and 1,000,000 Glimmer. And that's just for those last two resources you need. That doesn't count the fact that you have to use the resources you need ten apiece of on your armor just to get to the step where you have to spend ten of them for the other resource. Oh, and there's an inventory cap on both of these resources, both I believe are below 30. So don't get your hopes up on stockpiling.
Just to sort of let you guys know what you're in for if you haven't started yet.
Edit: I know you shouldn't expect to Masterwork an armor set in the first week. I know the mats drop from other activities. This post is about the fact that the community begged Bungie to tone down Masterworking cost and they responded by increasing it exponentially and complicating it.
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I just want my money back. I know I can't get my money back, but that's my current sentiment towards this game now. It's just not what it once was. The thrill is gone and now it's exhaustively boring. I stuck around for the lore. But now I don't much care for that either anymore. After not being able to log in yesterday because of the server malfunction ([i]isn't that what they delayed the game for? To have a smooth launch?[/i]) and finally getting in there to see what's what, I just heavy sighed. It had my attention for about 2 hours and then I just got bored. ... I wish refunds were a thing on console.
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Edited by Equinox Shift: 10/2/2019 7:44:40 PMI really am not understanding what is happening. Perhaps it is my ignorance. Please fill me in or correct me at my question points. I play a lot of games, and many RPGs require extensive work to obtain a mastered version of a weapon or armour, mostly a lot of grind, materials etc. What is the difference here, let’s say, between me grinding out 150 Dark Iron Bars, 5 Rubies and other materials, which are insanely hard to get, to build a single really good chest piece, with a chance at getting the stats I want, and let say, grinding out the materials, glimmer and other materials to masterwork the destiny 2 armour?
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2 RepliesI dont masterwork my armor anyway. I've always masterworked my guns more than anything.
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Maybe it was never intended for you to trade your masterwork cores and glimmer for diminishing gains. There are multiple sources for the ascendant share stuff (ie nightfall and glory he new raid).
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Holy. f*cking. sh*t.
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Ahh man here we go again another salty blueberry
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A) No one should be masterworking anything at this point B) the new resources can be earned by playing. There are are bounties that reward them. Also, they are seasonal rewards too (you get more by being a season pass owner). C) Only masterwork your endgame builds. Though it's not really THAT necessary. You can go through every bit of content in game without anything masterworked. D) focus more on masterworking weapons rather than armor.
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I'm pretty sure these materials are going to come from other sources or drop from the raid, etc. Buying them with enhancement cores is probably meant to be an expensive last resort or what you do if you're a little short. Same thing with the upgrade modules, you can buy them, but that's not the main way you're supposed to get them, just if you need one in an emergency and are willing to pay a higher price for it. I'm not saying the system is perfect or anything. Bungie does have a track record of dumb decisions behind them, but most of us haven't really leveled up enough to interact with this system yet, or even really able to do the high level activities which give the new materials. We might just need to see how it pans out at a higher level or when the season of the undying stuff starts.
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Edited by Hatter: 10/2/2019 7:10:13 PMYou guys have not played any other type of mmo have you? You don't cap out all the gear you want. You cap out the gear you like for your build, then grind for mats to get the other gear. For example, in FFXIV, for my dark Knight and samurai I might get 1 solid build in for each by the end of 3 months. MAYBE. Because of Savage raids, dungeons. I also have other classes I tend to play. Or, for my main class, samurai, I might try and get another build in in lieu of not capping out my dark Knight completely. Y'all don't wanna say it, but y'all just want to cap all the gear for free, and that's just lazy. D2 launch spolied y'all way too much. WAY too much. Stop trying to rush through to the end.
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6 RepliesCome on man. Nothing you’re talking about really affects anyone except players who are chasing endgame in comp and are looking for that last 1 percentage point edge over other guardians. Or are chasing elite raid rewards when the raid goes live. For the vast majority of players this will have no impact on reaching the soft or hard cap on power. Or impact whether they’ll be able to complete any endgame activities. If anything, it already feels like it’s actually easier to increase your power level than previous seasons. Think of it in D&D terms. It’s like people are losing their minds over not being given a path to a full set of +3 gear and artifacts without sweating. Full optimization should take time and reward those who make it a hobby.
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Bungie: It’s supposed to be a rewarding experience
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Wtf, insane. Never gonna Masterwork....
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Edited by SemisweetBella: 10/2/2019 6:10:43 PMI cant believe people was complainting about masterworking their gear. Now 2.0 is just dumb they should have just left it alone. Now watch those same people who complainted about masterwork are going soon be complainting about this. 😂😂😒
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Wouldn't mind all the nonsense if it was way easier and had more of a variation to get a decent amount of all the materials needed. Im a crucible player who doesn't really like the idea of running around a planet tryna get materials. Can't I earn like 6-15 world materials per match amd like 5 enhancement cores every 10 wins and so on
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Honestly I haven’t masterworked any of the new armour simply because it’s not the piece of gear I’m going to fully dedicate my resource into. If you’re masterworking armour this early on, it’s a waste of materials
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4 RepliesIt costs 200 cores to MW 1 piece of armor?
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The grind is out of control. Some bounties can’t get complete due to other guardians killing the enemies you are working on ....
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2 RepliesWhat does masterworking armour actually do now?
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it is worth pointing out there are ways to earn the higher tier resources without buying them. So although this may be the base cost, you will literally shave off 100s of enhancement cores in this process by playing the game.
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The cost of masterworking one armor piece: play endgame activities. Why would you buy them?
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D2 since launch seems like Bungie is all about breaking what they make. They seem to be struggling to just fixing the thing that is broken. The answer is not to also restate over each time.
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5 RepliesOr you could just play the events in the game that give the upgrade materials as a reward.
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Thank you
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Too early to tell? True. Is it still bonkers? Looks that way to me.
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1 ReplyEdited by Corrick II: 10/2/2019 2:56:54 PMGood lord. My knee jerk response to this is abject terror at the thought of coming back to Destiny, that I should just hide in my Borderlands hole and wonder why Bungie hates their players so much. I also know my knee jerk response is a bit of a drama queen. If the gameplay is still as good as ever, I’ll play. I didn’t “masterwork” (or whatever it is now) anything for a [i]long[/i] time when it became a thing, and strangely enough I realized I honestly didn’t [i]need[/i] to until endgame. So even if this, when laid out in such detail, is terrifying, it’s also kind of a non-issue for players just starting to dive in. Yes, it’s disappointing that this isn’t so much Bungie leaning hard on RPG-style gaming as it is a desperate attempt to increase the grind by any means possible, but at the end of the day, if popping alien heads still feels good, I’m sure I’ll be able to handle it.
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