That thing is more rampant in crucible than either of those ever were, I hardly even see those anymore but recluse is every single game, and it kills faster than literally anything in the game, it's broken as all -blam!-. A body shot ttk faster than the headshot ttk of anything else, that refils on kill and lets them keep cheating over and over? Bungie are out of their damn minds letting that thing stay as is, it's ruining every match of crucible since this season began. It's the most rage inducing thing they've ever created, just get instant killed through walls by laggy cheaters with recluse because as usual Comp/trials players have the worst internet money can buy because it lets them exploit the network and kill people before they even see them because their internet is so slow. Yet another symptom of Bungie ignoring console, probably not as big a problem on PC where it's a point and click adventure you can easily get headshots on.