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6/15/2018 1:33:18 PM
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Fast firing pulse rifles... There, I solved your Gravaton Lance problems...
Use any of the fast firing pulse rifles to compete with any OP gun at range. At medium range use any 450 RPM auto rifle. At close range any burst sidearm or SMG.
OR...
You could just play smarter and use whatever you like.
And no, I am not "good" at PvP. No I am not an expert. But yes, I know that these things can in fact be used against the "meta".
Cheers
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6 RepliesDarkest Before destroys GL and the Vag Wing.
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3 Replies[quote]Use any of the fast firing pulse rifles to compete with any OP gun at range.[/quote] Do 540 RPM pulse rifles have zero damage falloff?
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1 ReplyI know im going to be rocking my time worn spire this weeks iron banner
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Edited by TheTommieC: 6/19/2018 4:18:17 PM[i]My Flash and Thunder mixed with Magnum Shepherd takes care of those pesky GLs just fine. 🤗[/i]
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I always do pretty well with the Machine Dei 4. High impact high cal
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4 RepliesAn SMG at close range? No shit Shinobi! But if you tell me that a fast firing pulse rifle can outgun a Graviton simply because of RoF then get a clip. Cause I does not believe it!
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I have been having reasonable amounts of success with Autumn Wind, Inaugural Address and Time Worn Spire, can't confirm every encounter I had was against graviton lance or viigilance wings but I do get a few kills from them, and as an absolute scrub in crucible that's a win in my books.
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Graviton Lance isn't the problem. The problems are the whiny Snowflake PvP crowd who seem to have no clue they are in a loot based game. Bungie should know by now that appeasing this crowd just leads to ruining this game. Once they nerf GL, these fools will just complain about another weapon. It never ends.
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7 RepliesIt still takes talent. Not arguing your point, but stats do not lie. Ttk is not improved on the other pulse rifles. Inaugural address with kill clip is nasty, but we are talking about specific scenarios to get it activated and against said weapon. I do not use either weapon, graviton or the wing... so any weapon is good, it just comes down to a players approach and ability to strafe in a gun fight.
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5 RepliesBut it's not GL that's inherently OP, it's the catalyst which from what I understand makes it so you have ridiculous damage at ridiculous range (just from what I've read on the forums) so a mid-range fast firing pulse rifle is still going to get outgunned by a long range GL.
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Hunter glitch https://youtu.be/5juuf3EYkLs
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Hunter glitch https://youtu.be/5juuf3EYkLs
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I used a long range weapon like the Anvil and it works depending how far the map can be when using this weapon.
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I honestly hate that pulse rifle. Graviton throws me off cause non precision shots are like tooth picks, so I have the instinctive to back out because they still have majority of their health, and can kill. And then two seconds later they’re melted. For me, the ever dying question is, “to shoot or not to shoot” lmao.
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8 RepliesAll things being equal, if you take two players of the same skill level, one has graviton lance, the other a 450 rpm pulse rifle, the player with the gun with the faster ttk will win most 1 v 1 gunfights. There is little to argue against this fact, 450 rpm pulses have a 1 sec ttk and the lances is in the .7-.8 range. Now if you’re the better player, it should even out a little, but the graviton still has superior range and can kill you with that stupid bloom perk. It takes 3 head shots from the lancevto kill, so if the team has at least 3 lances being used, in a team shot situation, you can pretty much kill somebody instantly if 3 guys all land 3 crits at once. That makes for a sweaty pvp experience .
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9 RepliesGraviton has infinite range and no falloff....it would beat snipers at first light...
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So many trash pvp players lol.
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I destroy G-Lances with Martyrs make. That thing is insane in the right hands.
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Skate better
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Went on a rampage with Hard Light against a stack of Wingers and Lancers the other day. :D
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Saw some dude wreck everyone with a Polaris lance
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Trying to 1v4 is still rife and it’s just not doable against a four stack and if you try it’s just ‘feeding’ the enemy team, I’ve tried and tested this many times and unless you have the means it’s futile! I do understand that if heavy weapons and supers in effect it’s definitely doable and very pleasing when pulled off and it’s nice it’s possible, but the general to casual players ‘need’ so understand that unless you have the means to ‘make a play’ that it’s best to stick with at least on more team member to ‘lead’ or ‘mop up’! If your a more vocal player I would suggest coming out off your comfort zone if applicable and taking the ‘wing’ to another player and be there ‘third eye’, you will be surprised at how many flankers you kill and how many mop ups you finalise as a result off this very simple play style! It’s nice to be John Rambo, but that’s just not how it works in games off this ilk!
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Graviton and Vigilance are playing as I expected them to. They are exotic weapons, they feel exotic, they are effective as an exotic should be as well. And you are right, you have to be smart when encountering an opponent using graviton/Vigilance. Encounter when you and your weapon set has the advantage, not them. As for everyone else on this post calling for a “nerf,” there is more to crucible than just what weapon and super you use. If you can’t survive against some dude using the meta, then “git gud.”
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3 RepliesI have a better idea, how about we Nerf Graviton and Vig Wing (not too much so they're not viable, but enough so they're not the only option for most people) Lower the ttk, because at this point, my brother can start shooting somebody and I could leave the room, make a sandwich, water the plants, shower and maybe he would've finished off the kill by the time i get back. Buff other weapons. Buff high impact scouts to make them 3 shots again, make every class of auto rifle somewhat usable when in a 1v1 with other weapons, not just the precision frame types. Make Hand Cannons decent again, im talking 3 taps, 4 at MOST. Make high impact pulses better, please. The problem with pvp isn't that "gun no do gooder than other gun", its that bungie tried to make D2 pvp into an E-Sport, crashed and burned, and now are too hung up on maintaining that ideal, that PvP has become (for a good part of the community) something you have to force yourself to do. In my case, I can't even bring myself to do my 5 matches for call to arms because its just such a boring, irritating and not at all fun experience. Even the 6v6 PvP sucks. I get bungie tried to revive the D1 pvp experience by bringing back 6v6, but these maps were aboslutely not designed for 12 people. Spawns are terrible and teamshotting is at its worst in these activities. Maybe if I could actually kill somebody before I have the entirety of the enemy team collapse on me because it takes 18 1/2 millenniums to finish off a kill, then it'd probably be alot more fun. Tl;Dr: PvP is a mess. Bungie wanted to make it hella competitive, didn't work, now we're stuck with a shitty ideal, terrible ttk, terrible weapon balance, spawns, etc. Sorry for the rant, I know that wasn't the point of OP's post, they were just giving tips, but lordy this needed to be made apparent
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MIDA is also a great counter for the GL, at least, I can usually outgun one if I play it safe and don’t get teamshot. Harder to outgun VW since most of the people using that are decently skilled (It’s got a faster TTK than GL, but it’s much less forgiving, so usually scrubs run the GL instead).
