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9/30/2014 3:42:32 AM
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You should be able to admit what you believe with no fear. While I think you're wrong and disagree, I applaud you for making your own choices. Now take the next step and stand for and by what you say.
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Edited by fatedsorrow: 9/30/2014 3:46:54 AMWith that way of thinking, mass murderers would be okay to you. It really depends on the harm or injustice.
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I'm not fine with the murder or his mindset, however, I'm commanded to love all, and I'd pray for him. I just think everyone should have a say. For me to say not everyone should would be wrong since I want to say what I believe. Take it away from one you take it away from all.
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[quote]I'm not fine with the murder or his mindset, however, I'm commanded to love all, and I'd pray for him. I just think everyone should have a say. For me to say not everyone should would be wrong since I want to say what I believe. Take it away from one you take it away from all.[/quote] Praying wouldn't revive the dead. Nor did prayers ever do anything, observable with Ebola and plague. Part of the reason why I withdrew from the belief.
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Because God didn't make it all mamby pamby? What do you want God to do? Make life perfect? Despite all the sin and hate towards him. You want him to rescind on the punishment he delved for sin?
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Edited by fatedsorrow: 9/30/2014 4:27:27 AM[quote]Because God didn't make it all mamby pamby? What do you want God to do? Make life perfect? Despite all the sin and hate towards him. You want him to rescind on the punishment he delved for sin?[/quote] The problem with this is that the innocent die as well. If god created the way things are, it created the way things are. God could've made things "mamby pamby" if it meant it could get more followers (which it could just make us believe in it from the day we are born). It's just how it is, which contradicts with the belief that God is benevolent. It's its own fault for not giving us a significant, validated reason to believe in it and validate itself. But what you said is irrelevant to what I said.
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He gave us a choice. Would you rather be forced us and made us like robots? All to serve for him? That's not what he wanted. He wanted to give man some control. And there is no "innocent" person. If you look at it from the standpoint of religion, we've all sinned, and the wages of sin is death. Don't get it wrong please, every man has equal opportunity and chance to follow, but those who don't get hell. It's what they chose in a sense.
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[quote]He gave us a choice. Would you rather be forced us and made us like robots? All to serve for him? That's not what he wanted. He wanted to give man some control. And there is no "innocent" person. If you look at it from the standpoint of religion, we've all sinned, and the wages of sin is death. Don't get it wrong please, every man has equal opportunity and chance to follow, but those who don't get hell. It's what they chose in a sense.[/quote] We're basically forced to serve it, so why not? I simply refuse to worship a god due to the lack of validation, significance, and justification. I would rather be just without following a belief that justifies slavery and gender inequality. If you're trying to help me, thanks, but no thanks. If the only reason to believe in a god is so you do not go to hell, I do not need to believe in it. I would much rather sacrifice myself for the greater good of justice.
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Funny. I'm a Christian, yet still strive for justice. I don't believe in gender inequality or slavery. Jesus never said a woman was beneath a man as a person. He just said that a wife should follow the husband.
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Edited by fatedsorrow: 9/30/2014 5:37:03 AM[quote]Funny. I'm a Christian, yet still strive for justice. I don't believe in gender inequality or slavery. Jesus never said a woman was beneath a man as a person. He just said that a wife should follow the husband.[/quote] That is gender inequality. Not to mention the fact that women must remain silent in church, people cannot defend themselves in court, slaves should do as told, rich people cannot go to heaven... I really do not need to believe in any denomination of Christianity to do good. As for the slavery part, Luke 17:7, Matthew 18:25, Ephesians 6:5-9... of the New Testament says so.
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Anyone can go to heaven, we think anyone should be quiet during services in church, and I have no clue what the rest of the stuff is you're talking about, but I've never met a Christian who even thinks like what you're saying. As for the sexism, I would disagree. It isn't discriminating. It's simply saying that the man takes responsibility. It's not saying women get no say and the man is literally God, it's just going back to the days of creation where woman was made to be a help to man.
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"it's just going back to the days of creation where woman was made to be a help to man." If woman was mad eot be a help to man and to follow while man takes the lead and responsibility then by definition they are now equals and this is sexism. Also do you not realise that god could reveal himself to us all and we would still have the free will to choose not to worship him? Since he hides away(if we assume for arguements sake he exists) then there are those that have no choice to believe in him. I have no opportunity to chose to worship him since he has given me no proof of his existance and belief is not a choice anyway.
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To you it isn't. To me, it is. To me, I look at everything in the world, and how everything has to be just right for advanced biological life to develop and live, and how the bodies of these life forms(particularly human) work so perfectly as far as the internal structure goes, and can't believe it's all just coincidence.
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Is it coincidence that the hole in the road fits the puddle perfectly or is it that the puddle shaped itself according to the nature of the hole? If the conditions on this planet were different it may make human life impossible, that doesnt mean life would be impossible. You are assuming the planet was designed for us when evolution has infact tailored us over time to fit our environment. You think this planet was designed for humans? you realise the vast majority of it is inhospitible to us dont you? No one claims life being as it is is a coincidence, it is the result of natural proccesses that shape the flora and fauna on the planet over time to what we see now. By the way you think Human bodies work perfectly? have you heard of cancer? or the fact our eyesight is pathetic and our hearing is frankly apalling? We breathe and eat/drink through the same hole guarenteeing a number of us die each year from choking, we are far from perfect. Belief isnt a choice, its not a matter of it isn't to me but is to you it is impossible to chose to believe something. It is quite easy to test this really, simply choose right now to believe that you are infact a giraffe, can you do it? (no pretending you are a giraffe isn't believing it). It is impossible for me to choose to believe in your god and even harder for me to think that he in any way shape or form deserves my love or worship. Have you given up on the sexism thing now you have been shown that you yourself think women were made to help man, something that is inherently saying the man is of greater importance and thus sexist.
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The Bibles do say otherwise, where women should "submit" to men. Perhaps my knowledge of the Bibles is what led to my withdrawal of the beliefs.
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Wives to husbands. Not the sex as a whole. It's simply saying it should be men who ultimately run the house. Someone has to be responsible. If everyone is, then no one is.
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Edited by fatedsorrow: 9/30/2014 1:59:28 PM[quote]Wives to husbands. Not the sex as a whole. It's simply saying it should be men who ultimately run the house. Someone has to be responsible. If everyone is, then no one is.[/quote] That does not mean it has to be dictated by birth. Yes, the Bibles never said "submit to men", but it did imply it. The dictations that state slaves must submit to their master and wives to husband is unjust.
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I believe that a woman should have a say in running the house. However, I believe the buck should stop with the man, and if he feels they something is getting out of hand, he should accept his responsibility and put an end to the problem.
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[quote]I believe that a woman should have a say in running the house. However, I believe the buck should stop with the man, and if he feels they something is getting out of hand, he should accept his responsibility and put an end to the problem.[/quote] Unfortunately, that is not stated in the Bibles. The slavery thing is also explicitly made clear that the Bibles justify such a thing. If the Bibles require interpretation (which is why there are 41000 denominations of Christianity), they are faulty.
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Old Testament. Laws of the Jews. Christianity and Christians are not under the Law.
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[quote]Old Testament. Laws of the Jews. Christianity and Christians are not under the Law.[/quote] I was mostly referring to the New Testament. Anyway, what I am saying is that to me, the Bibles and any other invalidated belief is useless to me. If I can do good and justice (such as securing justified equality and use actions in order to improve somebody's well being), I do not need religions, especially the ones that break the examples I provided.
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To each their own. I respect your opinion.
