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Edited by Mmm Toasty: 7/1/2016 5:07:52 PM
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ORYX question for the lore experts

So I have a real question for the lore experts, which I'm not. At all. But I have started playing the raid, which from my standpoint is a big Boss at the end like many other games. Here's my question.... This guy is huge. Like huge. And we can't hurt him until we do some other stuff to make his chest open. Can someone please tell me lore wise, why the hell he doesn't just smash us with his hands. He would definitely win if he didn't just send little Knights after us. Like is he just dumb or something. Edit: getting some good feedback. Seems like it's because he doesn't want to just kill us.... he has to do the clap thing to take our light so we never respawn... Follow up question.... does he get mad when his minions kill us? Because now we will respawn. Is he like.... guyssssss, I told you not to kill them, you were supposed to let them kill you. I have to take their liiggggghhhht.
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  • Oryx probably wanted to mess with us before killing us but his curse kills him before he realizes that things have changed.

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  • Edited by TrolleyProblem: 7/2/2016 3:55:22 AM
    First you need to know some lore behind hive, hive gods, and worm gods. I won't go too far in depth, as that will be a long... long... loooooooong post. First rule of thumb: EVERY HIVE GOD/DEMI GOD HAS A THRONE WORLD. THE ONLY WAY TO KILL A HIVE GOD IS TO KILL THEM IN THERE USING SWORD LOGIC. IF YOU DON'T, THEY WILL BE RECALLED THERE FOREVER (remember that) On a gas giant called fundament, proto hive, krill like entities were bottom of the food chain. They had life spans of 10 years, and birth mothers didn't live much longer. Their king was the leader and holder to the osmium throne. He had three heirs: sathona, xiva, and Aurash. Eventually the birth mother, taox, betrayed the king, and allowed their rivals, the helium drinkers to kill him. Soon after a god wave occurred from some strange white orbicular oddity in the sky (sound familiar). By the words of their father's familiar; they found refuge in the deep and found the worm gods. They offered them a bargain they simply couldn't refuse When aurash, sathona, and xiva decided to commit symbiosis with the worm gods - akka, ur, EIR, Yul, and XOL - they became the hive gods Auryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathūn. Each with their own familiar. Auryx got akka, Savathūn got either Yul or ur. And for Xivu Arath vice versa. From that point, on their only directives were to feed their worms, and become a pinnacle of sword logic by any means necessary. And so, they had a duel. Auryx defeated Xivu Arath. And as cunning as Savathūn was, she didn't prepare for Auryx obtaining much more power from just xivu arath. And so she lost. However, Auryx wanted even more. and so, he challenged and temporarily bested akka. Thus, Oryx was born. And he then obtained the tablets of ruin, and a direct connection to the darkness to then create taken, and etc. As time progressed, the death singer sisters (ir anûk, and ir halak), AKA, oryx's daughters and second success were born (first being Nokris) Through their tireless inquiries and songs, they created the over soul. Long story short, it just makes it even harder to defeat a hive God when in their throne world. And so, oryx took this ingenious plan, and incorporated it into his throne world. By creating an oversoul, he then used it to essentially pull his throne room inside out. And this, the dreadnaught was fabricated. He then gave what was left of the tablet of ruin to his "pet" golgoroth to protect him from those who make it that far in. And before golgoroth, there was the warpriest who would find those worthy of entering further regardless. Meanwhile, crota screwed up via accidentally creating a tear in reality with his sword when attempting to create his oversoul. And so, oryx set him off to our system as punishment . He came and ravaged our forces on mara Imbrium, leading to the great disaster. Then oryx told him to chill until later basically. Eris and her fireteam (vel tarlowe, sai mota, eriana-3, Omar agah, and Toland the shattered) went down into the pit. All fell except for toland who went on to enter the hive over worlds. And eris, who survived by toland's journals. Later on she returns to the city, and thus, the dark below begins. We kill crota in his throne world (thus killing him for good) and now oryx is pissed. Open TTK. Next, we skip to the raid. You and your fireteam realize you must kill oryx in his throne world as you did to crota to end this. And so, you utilize these relics found near the court to open it backwards essentially. This (coupled with the fact you appropriated part of Crota's soul, making you ascendant) allow you entrance into oryx's throne world. Now you must travel to the your first challenge: the warpriest A few jumping puzzles later your are locked inside the totem room; where you are being monitored by the warpriest. He wishes to see if your quidity is great enough to survive the Weaver's and unraveler's (anûk's and halak's) tome You did? You are now worthy. Now you must defeat warpriest with sword logic. After killing a few of his knights you must copy the formation of sigils he lays out. This allows one of your comrades to obtain the aura of the initiate. Killed warpriest? Great now find golgoroth. Golgoroth is a much harder task. He has been bequeathed the tablet of ruin. So in the event of too many deaths, your fireteam's light shall be subsumed. (Side note: you know all those strange orbs surrounding his pit? Those are concentrated light from lost guardians that was supposed to be his meal) Only by focusing his rage can you make the beast weak and defeat it Killed it? Awesome On to the daughters. They are the Weaver and unraveler. If your team is incapable of stealing a an aura of immortality, they shall sing their song and destroy the very totality of your being. Killed them? Great (fwi though, you only released them back to their throne world. They are still alive) Now you must summon oryx . By having one of you obtain the aura, others will kill light eater ogres. They will then drop corrupted light (that was supposed to be tithed to oryx and then akka). However when the time comes, you and your team can use your paracausal capabilities to release the light and make oryx vulnerable. And boom. You killed a god

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    • He is fat.

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      • Because he was starving. The totems are constructs Used to transport the tithe, but us pulling the strings we showed we were powerful because it was an offer to the war priest. The war priest distributes it, so killing him left it in a mess so the sisters began to unwind the notes and weave it back into a flow. Golgoroth feeds on the excess light in the tithe so killing him keeps the light and allows the corrupted bombs to exist. We then kill the sisters to stop their attempt on fixing the Tithe system and cause Oryx to confront us. At this point he isn't getting the tithe to feed his worm so needs to make killing us satisfying. So he needs to play with us to understand us. The light eager ogres are mini golgoroth so they drop the light that held onto the tithe and we use that to kill him since we interrupted the light eater knights from taking the light away. So what we do is starve the King and he just kills himself in panic

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      • Why do Mortal Kombat characters use their fatalities at the start of the game? Same question, same answer. Bc it would be boring af.

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        • Oryx is so massive in the raid, our bullets would be a house fly landing on him. However, that white spot in his chest is his wyrm. Every time we do a "damage phase", and we're not dead, the wyrm realizes Oryx won't or can't kill us, so [i][b]it[/b][/i] is what kills Oryx at the end. Basically, each "damage phase" is just us trying to live and the wyrm feeding on Oryx.

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          • He has to challenge us in the ways of old, not factoring our light and the fact that he was getting stupid by this point. Crota's death made him mad. Regicide made him pissed off Warpriest and Golgoroth's deaths made him absolutely furious His daughter's death made him go full rage-mode. Read the Noru'usk grimoire card.

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            • [quote]So I have a real question for the lore experts, which I'm not. At all. But I have started playing the raid, which from my standpoint is a big Boss at the end like many other games. Here's my question.... This guy is huge. Like huge. And we can't hurt him until we do some other stuff to make his chest open. Can someone please tell me lore wise, why the hell he doesn't just smash us with his hands. He would definitely win if he didn't just send little Knights after us. Like is he just dumb or something. Edit: getting some good feedback. Seems like it's because he doesn't want to just kill us.... he has to do the clap thing to take our light so we never respawn... Follow up question.... does he get mad when his minions kill us? Because now we will respawn. Is he like.... guyssssss, I told you not to kill them, you were supposed to let them kill you. I have to take their liiggggghhhht.[/quote] I have a question for u? Why do u ask stupid question ?

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              • Because they design the raid first then write lore based on it.

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              • [quote][i]There is no lore explanation for that. You impressed me.[/i][/quote]

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              • There may be a lore rationalization, but the storytelling reason is the same as why Dr. Evil starts to slowly lower Austin Powers into a pool filled with giant ill-tempered sea bass, and leaves the room. Basically so the good guys can win.

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              • Cause guardians defy basic logic like that. if we die in traditional sense we just respawn for us to actually die the darkness must consume our Light fully. Which oryx tries to do time and time again during the oryx encounter. He tries to Take us with bait and we can't be Taken so we get torn between dimensions and steal his relic that binds him to the vessel to steal his aura of immortality so he can't destroy us with the doxology. He summons light eater ogres to take our Light we kill them and they leave blights for us to corrupt with light that in turn damage oryx. He opens his chest to summon the power of his worm god and we shoot him with our weapons of Light to stop him. He summons the shade to kill us with doxology while we're all between dimensions and we kill the shade. Oryx tries everything in his power to kill us but for some reason Guardians defy logic(even sword logic) & have a knack for making their own fate. [spoiler]sorry for the scattered format but I'm at work and just trying to get the jist out.[/spoiler]

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                • Lore-wise there is no real reason. Sure there some stuff about trying to beat us via corrupted Light to prove a point or forcing us to embrace Darkness and nonsense like that. I really comes down to game mechanics trumping lore in-game. Oryx is insanely powerful. His very existence depended on him constantly proving he was one of if not the most powerful mortal entity in existence. The only reason he doesn't just enter the room and crush us like roaches is because the developers needed to make it physically possible for us to win.

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                • Hubris. Oryx has no real reason to believe we are a threat to him so he toys with us. We were actually able to do things he never expected and it took him way off guard. We were able to become torn between his dimension and the one where he Takes. We turned the blight bombs into a weapon against him.

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                  • Hahaha because he is not sweaty enough!!!

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                    • The reason he can't kill us has to do with him drawing dark powers from the worm gods, and the smashing part well we don't fully know but it's something to do with a fair fight. The chest is his worm god oryx killed his worm god and took his power of taking stuff so in hive logic if you kill a leader you can become the new one hence taken king oryx, When he castes doxolgy he uses his worms power but at the cost of giving us immortality for a short while. Those 8 Gres are golgoroths minions every time golgoroth killed guardians he ut thier light in the stone and transfered it to the ogres so when we detonate them we use corrupted light (light wavering between light and dark) to hurt oryx because corrupted light is the only thing to hurt worm gods so if we hurt his worm god we take his immortality by shooting him (or bullets only stun him they can bearly hurt him) so on his final Stand his he try to kill us all worn up so in final Stand he takes his immortality away for a while but he is so weak our guns finish him. I could answer other raid boss questions if you like. But I hope this helped!!

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                      • Because we can just respawn. He literally needs to destroy our light, which is what he tries to do with his ritual that we interrupt to damage him.

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                        • Edited by Smedl: 7/1/2016 4:22:06 PM
                          This is an interesting point, but if you delve into the books of sorrows, it's mostly clear. Oryx is in his throne world, meaning if he wanted to, he could. But he's limited by several factors. Firstly, it's his nature to not. When he made a deal with the worm gods for immortality, he swore to always obey his nature. (Or her nature at that point.) Oryx, or Aurash, or Auryx, must "never cease to explore and inquire". (Book of Sorrows IX) By exploring and testing, he feeds his worm, which gives him power and doesn't eat him in return. By just killing us, he's not testing and enquiring about our capabilities to the fullest extent, meaning that's wasted potential food. And since we've just spent the past hour killing off the being who feed him the most knowledge, he knows that he needs as much understanding of us (as guardians and as individuals) as possible. Plus, he's never encountered a guardian before, so he wouldn't want to pass the opportunity. Secondly, he's forced to. The Hive function in a heirachy of EXTREME Darwinism. It's always the strongest at the top. Oryx is the strongest, and he has to constantly assert that, but in fair fights. If he just uses his full power, that's not fair and it doesn't really prove much. By giving us a little bit of a chance, he proves that even with some odds in our favour, or lots of odds in our favour (depending on your opinion of the lore of the fight), he can still win. This makes him seem better to the rest of the Hive, the Dark and himself. And if he loses, he deserves to die. That's how the Hive work. Oryx is far from dumb. He's really old and has killed species way more advanced than ours. However, guardians and new, likely paracasual and completely different from anything that he's encountered before. By obeying his nature, he's forced to play hands that put him at disadvantages so he's not swallowed, with the things we've done to hamper him before and afterwards. He's merely obeying his nature, as he's been doing for millennia before. Hope this helps, sorry it's a bit of a read. EDIT: It's also a game, what would the fun in just having him smash you to bits?

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                        • Idk. Sounds to easy?

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                        • That makes waaay to much sense

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