What Bungie should have done with the taken king and what I honestly thought they would do was to let you do the 2 previous raid activities at multiple levels, kind of like the weekly heroic strike. For example you'd still be able to do VOG at levels 26 and 30 as usual but there would be an option to do them at maybe 34 and 38 as well? Same with Crota and even POE... Then these activities could drop gear tied to the level of activity you had just completed.... Everything level 34/35 and under would only drop gear/exotics with year 1 base values.. If they made this an option only available to those who had purchased the taken king, where would be the harm? That way the older content would still be relevant and there would be loads of activities available for everybody to do regardless of their level, not to mention the incentive to actually do them. Also ALL weapons, legendary and exotic should be upgradable to the year 2 values, even if they incorporated some new kind of material (I think ascendant light is kind of catchy myself) that only has a chance of dropping from doing the new raid or other high level activities that allows you to do so... So what if people keep on using fatebringer/black hammer and gally? Maybe instead of leaving all the weapons behind that people have spent so much of their precious time chasing, (not to mention grinding repetitive bounties to upgrade) they actually allowed us to supplement our arsenal with all the new weapons from the taken king. It's not like vault space is going to be an issue is it? Maybe I'm just being cynical but It seems to me that every decision Bungie make regarding the evolution of this game is less to do with improving the players experience and more to do with forcing you to purchase the new content so you don't get left behind. Considering the quality and amount of content in the last 2 "expansions" can they really blame so many of the community for being so skeptical about the taken king? At times it almost seems like they think we should be grateful for them allowing us to play their game when in reality it's the exact opposite.

Words from an awesome man (spread the word) People also complain about: -Thorn in crucible -Gjallarhorn in crucible -Not having Gjallarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -No trading system -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times

I'm not meaning to be a jerk, this is a legitimate question: can you name another FPS that has reply value over a week that DOESN'T have a grind? I mean, look at CoD. After the story missions, you're literally just playing online matches to rank up, get gun attachments, and get call cards. In Halo, it's the same thing. Another challange for you: can you name another FPS that has large scale PvE (like raids) AND PvP? Cuz when comparing to Halo, it's PvE is nothing but doing missions with 2 other friends over and over. Not to mention, there is literally no value in doing it (no drops, etc). A lot of people bash on Destiny but I think they fail to realize how much Destiny has accomplished as an FPS. I've been gaming for years and to the best of my knowledge, no other FPS has even attempted what Destiny has done. Failure is expected when a company tries something new like this. Just my opinion.

I honestly wouldn't worry too much about what Bungie do with Destiny from here on out. Their first TTK reveal taught everyone, even those super hyped (and now desperately trying to defend the idea of Bungie removing the "Always relevant" exotics from relevance) that their grinding has pretty much been for nothing. Each DLC, in a bid to keep you grinding until the next DLC, is designed to make your previous efforts redundant. I don't care who you are or how much in denial the hype field currently has you. You'll wake up a few weeks after TTK drops and get to that singular moment. It will be the moment you get another new exotic and ask yourself is it actually worth putting the effort into upgrading it. Many will stay to grab a sleeper simulant but, when the first of those start appearing. One of two things will happen. The gun will be underwhelming, leading those still chasing it to have a sudden "Oh...um..and I still have 20 pieces to find and that side boss to kill to get the last piece......" or it will be OP and you'll have that other moment of "So...this is going to get removed in the next DLC I guess". These are the moments, post hype haze, when you actually stop to think. No matter how fanboy blinkered your eyes currently are. You'll have to ask yourself why? Why am I wasting my time grinding exotic X when I already have exotic Y and they will likely not transition to Destiny 2 anyway. Those who pre-ordered will be keen to have others follow them under the bus. Those who haven't will be looking at a full vault of exotics and asking what was the point? More so if you just Xurn'ed a Gjallarhorn. X amount of hours to get the best gun in the game and it's immediately obsolete. If Bungie was trying to make the worlds first aversion therapy game series. They're off to a cracking start!

Whats a Skinner box?

I agree, the developers know this, which is why so much focus of the game is placed upon weapons/ gear and currency. The content will last a few weeks and I'll buy it because I can afford to. But I'm done grinding with Destiny as the only reason for it is to extend play time. Depending how TTk turns out will determine whether I'll play on through the years. Bungie has set their sight on NEW players, who haven't had to endure the monotony of replaying the same content... Yet. Bungie had a dilemma, make the game accessible to all (easy/profitable) or make it hard to naturally extend playtime but risk losing players who need babysitting through the game. They've made their choice.

Hmm lets see you could just enjoy the content instead of trying to rush through it. That might fix your problem but who knows. I enjoy every content that bungie releases and like to take my time so I can enjoy what I payed for instead of bitching like an entitled brat. Sure TDB and HOW missions were basically recycled. I still enjoyed it either way. Besides its kept me entertained longer than any other game has before so, I call that a win.

To me, the main issue is impatient people who are going to do everything within the first few weeks. And if you don't "keep up" with them, you're left stranded, having problems finishing everything because all the cool kids have moved on. So, yeah, basically the game will be finished within a month, because the cool guys do it very quickly, and if you want to take your time, good luck finishing at your own pace...

Read through your replies on other posts and it seems your big boy word for the day is "ignorant". That actually reminded me of a funny story. There is this guy we grew up with and he got himself -blam!-ed up on drugs and fried his brain pretty bad. Now he thinks life is a quest and he needs to track down an imagined Indian princess and marry her or the world will end. He is not too bad when he takes his meds but one thing he does is every morning he will just out of the blue come up with a word of the day. A few days ago he was like "ok guys word of the day is "indigo", I was like I'm going to take the piss. "Chad can you use it in a sentence so I know the meaning" he goes "I love the smell of indigo". I then remembered he is a -blam!-ing nutcase but he made me laugh. Anyway maybe you can make a daily post with your word for the day.