I went flawless on both characters first time I tried on the first week of flawless. I don't take scrubs and I don't have time to carry retards through vog and crota.

I know. It's ridiculous. I ran my first hard vog with 29's and 28's no gally. Ran my hard Crota with 4 30's and 2 32's, 4 of us had gally. It's stupid that people now have requirements that are overkill.

1. The rewards for being stuck on something "for three hours" are not good and certainly not fun so people want it over with fast and easy 2. I agree with what you say about the whole younger kids. I believe we should teach them because we were once kids, asking our older brothers/sisters/friends on how to do something in a game. If you don't like the sound of children just lower the volume of output on your mic 3. The level requirement also links with #1 point but for raids I guess it's okay to have a few newbies because the raid itself can be cheesed and easily learnt while game types like poe can't necessarily be cheesed and actually requires people to pull their own weight so people need other experienced players for that

I have never used Gally on Aetheon, it makes him move around too much and it's too risky jumping out of your relic bubble ( especially if the team is inexperienced). Sniper rifles and HM's are the go to here. If an LFG is requiring Gally's steer far far away!

I use the LFG app on my phone. And I rarely see those kind of requirements. Every once in a while, but not all the time.

First post, long post...TL;dr

No one remembers that rockets make Atheon move and that Thunderlord is the ViG king

This is why I despise LFG nowadays. I will never be the kind of person that demands a maxed Gjallarhorn, or anything for that matter, for any activity. All I ask is that you be of suitable level and that's it. Once I actually upgrade consoles I'll be doing a Sherpa run day in and day out. Everyone deserves to raid, not just those with maxed whatever the hell.

Yeah honestly I went on lfg once and never did it again. Sometimes, I inspect people in the tower and if they look like a new player, I'll see if they want to do a raid. LFG just makes you never want to play the game again.

I let level 30 and up for atheon, level 32 and up for nightfall, and level 33 and up for crota. For me you just have to be a little experienced, respectful, and at the level of the thing we are doing. Fairly simple to hit all the requirements.

This post is dumb I'll run it with who I want It's my time, not yours I only carry friends, not randoms Matchmaking would solve this butt-hurtedness

I agree

Lol ..."in closing.." The summary was just as long as the main body. On topic...play how YOU want, make YOUR groups you want. Why bother telling others how to play?

Meh, you're just saying this cuz you suck bleh bleh bleh.

[quote]This is the first time I've ever really posted to a forum...but there is just something wrong to me with the way people look for other people regarding raids/trials/PoE. This notion occurred to me a few weeks ago as I was going to start looking for raids to run my (at the time) lvl 30 Warlock and lvl 32 Titan through. As I sat there, shifting through different groups on Bungie's group forums to find a group, I began to notice a trend... This wasn't just one of your "oh, OK, I guess that's reasonable and makes sense" trends, it was more of a "I want to do this as quickly as possible, no newbs, no scrubs, no little kids, I'm awesome and you suck" type of trends... To get to the point, why does anyone need a group of six lvl 34 players with max 365 gally's and other max weapons to run normal friggin VoG, and why is that the requirement? The notion in itself is ridiculous. Furthermore, its not like they were the only people requesting something to that extent. I saw others like normal Crota, and 32/34 PoE demanding the same level of players...meanwhile you have kids on there that are just begging you to take their lvl 29 into normal VoG. Since when has anyone NEEDED this kind of level or equipment to run these raids? IMO, if you need that, you're worse than the lvl 29 just trying to get into the raid. To be clear, we were all running VoG and Crota on both normal AND hard before level 34 was ever available. We were running VoG on normal AND hard before lvl 32 was ever available for that fact. So again, I ask, why is it a requirement to be lvl 34 with 365 gally and other max weaps to run normal VoG? My answer, it shouldn't be and you're pathetic for demanding that. I run raids because I like to run them, I enjoy them, and I enjoy them when they're challenging. Sure, I get frustrated sometimes, everyone does when you've been stuck on an event for three hours, but we've all been there. But this fact that someone who can't get into a raid because they aren't 34 or at least 32+ is ignoramus (ha-ha, big werdz). What level were you when you ran your first raid with your first character? I bet you weren't a lvl 34 badass with 365 gally and max weaps with all the experience to run the raid backwards and blindfolded. No, like me you were probably some lvl 27 Hunter/Titan/Warlock begging some group of people to take you along for the ride. In closing, and in short the point of my, let's say rant, here is... Quit being stuck up and lazy, when you select the raid it shows you the RECOMMENDED level for the raid so why not start there in posting what level you "need". Secondly, remember where you started, and show a little compassion for that 10 year old kid who's looking for a raid, yeah I know they can get annoying, but what does it say about you being a twenty something elitist prick to that 10 year old kid? You feel like a big shot after talking smack over the internet? How adult of you. Thirdly, have fun, there's is no reason I should need to listen to you throw your damn controller across the room because, *gasp* we didn't down Crota the first time *gasp*. And finally, let's help the little guy out, its not gonna kill you to carry someone every once in a while, there's no need to post that you NEED a "level 34+ with max gally and weaps and God mode unlocked and better work for the developers because I want my lewtz from this raid, you suck insta-kick" that stuffs just dumb. The same goes for those of you demanding flawless for trials. I bet you weren't always flawless, in fact, I KNOW you weren't, and for you to be all "well they should try harder and do trials more and meh my panties are too tight, elitist elitist lewtz, sniffle". How the hell do you expect them to, for one, go flawless if they are constantly fighting groups of flawless people and for two even get to the point of playing if all you're requiring is them to be flawless, stop being dumb and apply some intelligence to your request. To those of you haters that are gonna be all "meh, your just saying this because you suck, bleh bleh bleh". Get something straight, I have 3 lvl 34's, all with gally and other various max weaps, and most of you would be envious for what gear I have just sitting in my vault. Additionally I am always willing to help carry anyone as long as I am available and they put the group together. End rant.[/quote] Bump

First time I did vog I was 26, my buddy and I got randoms from the tower to do it with us!

everything you have said is sadly true there are to many people playing destiny who are so far up there selfs they can watch there tea digest, or if they do play with you make you feel stupid for not being as good as them,well as far as im concerned its only a game and should be treated as such! you will always find people that are better at a game than you this is life, or anything come to that.when people play the game with others you should remember we all had to learn what to do,i recently got invited to play vog on hard i did say i had only done this raid once before, i died several times but hey its a game, it would be good if all people were like this obviously you the more you do raids ect the more you understand what is going to happen next and what to ready yourself for ect