If ur going to nerf black hammer, ya might as well nerf fate bringer too, it's good!

I will only talk about the ones that will affect my fun and gaming style. Black hammer It's the worst nerf by far. It's a pve weapon, so pvp is irrelevant here, and it's mainly a sniper you use for bosses, so it's not even a sniper you use all the time, like most people do with IB. It's for bosses, and with most bosses, it is hard to use. Most bosses have hard critical spots to hit. Bosses move around, they attack you and have enemies attacking you as well. You will be forced to stop shooting, take cover, switch weapons to kill enemies, etc. BH only has 3 rounds in the mag, which means that if you are looking for white nail to proc (which is basically the reason you use this weapon) you HAVE to land precision shots with every round available or you will have to reload and start over. The nerf makes no sense because it is not easy for white nail to proc on a consistent basis. People that support this nerf act like the infinite ammo is guaranteed. Ice breaker Only thing this nerf will do is make people wait longer for their ammo. It won't really change any style or strategy. Ghorn Their main claim is that people were left out of groups. I don't see how this solves the problem. Only way to do it is removing ghorn from the game. Another claim is that most people use it as the go to heavy. Again, this won't solve the problem since ghorn will still be the best RL in pve. The ghorn damage from wolfpac rounds is necessary considering this game has so many bullet sponge bosses. If most people use it, great. Let them have their fun. It's their game. They have every right to do so. Legendary hand cannons The main problem with HCs is in pvp, not pve, and it's mainly the exotic HCs, not the legendaries. Nerfs in pve are unnecessary. They will nerf range and accuracy. Bungie claims HCs are as good as scout rifles for long range. So? If I want to use a HC for long range, it's my choice. Another nerf is the mag size. Many HCs already have small mag size!

Gally, BH, IB. Stated reason is they kill bosses too easily and gally is a gating item on LFG sites. I have completed over 450 strikes across my three characters. You know what will NOT improve my gameplay experience? When I kill Phogoth for the umpteen bazillionth time if it takes longer because of the nerf. That will not keep me playing. Bungie wants me to keep playing? Then come up with a coherent story and some more imaginative level design. Nerfing the frack out of the boss killer weapons will not keep me around. Bungie wants to fix LFG gating items? Introduce optional matchmaking for all activities. No more LFG gating items. The solution is not to make it take longer when I kill Phogoth for the umpteen bazillionth time. The nerf to these three weapons is ludicrous and Bungie would be wise to reverse course and NOT implement the nerf.

Black Hammer and Ice Breaker in general its nerf is unneccisary. Black Hammer is a raid weapon, hard to get, low chance of getting it. It should be on par with other raid weapons such as the Word of Crota and any of the VoG raid weapons. Other weapons that have perks like Phantom Clip, and Bad Juju dont take ammo out of your reserve so why should Black Hammer? If they wanted a legitanment nerf on the Black Hammer they shouldve just went and reduced the very forgiving time between bullets to pull of the White Nail perk. Ice Breaker is self explainitory you only get six shots so you have to wait 48 seconds for all your shots instead of your 30 now.

I have thorn and I don't use it much oh I will bring it out in a thorn heavy match then get bored Swap back to fatebringer and take it like a man but tbh it's not the nerf it's listening to idiots bitch that I get over I mean would you go in war oh you hit me with a tank I want that tank nerfed or a do over rofl

The only nerf I'm against are ghorn, icebreaker, blackhammer

Let the nerf continue... Stops all these TLW/Thorn cry babies Stops all these snowflakes feeling all high and mighty with their Gjallarhorns; yep Nerf 'em, Nerf 'em all

Pocket infinity...enough said

They're making the already tedious PvE more grindy by not making things more difficult, just more inconvenient for the player. This [i]is not[/i] how you deal with things, dammit.

The whole point of nerfing Gally is so bosses don't have to have so much health to be a fair challenge to everyone. The battles can be more about skill & less about numbers. And Gally will still be at the top Think of it this way, cuz these were the development options... Boss has a huge amount of health Players w/ Gally: normal time to kill it Players w/o Gally: hour+ to kill it Or Boss has a normal amount of health Players w/ Gally: a minute or less to kill it Players w/o Gally: normal time to kill it So please give me your solution to this conundrum if you disagree with Gally nerf, I'm honestly interested in hearing it [spoiler]if you say bring everything to the level of Gally, that literally does the same thing but in a much more complicated way & in advance I think you're illogical and not worth discussing with[/spoiler][spoiler]if you say give everyone a Gally than why even make other heavy's, it doesn't fit the game they want (which means: won't happen that way)[/spoiler][spoiler]Bungie reallyyyyyy -blam!-ed up making some weapons so OP in the first place. They're used to halo after all, OP weapons were fine cuz they were standard. This is different though. & It affected their ability to design bosses. Their words, not mine.[/spoiler][spoiler]The reason they gave in the hot fix was just (insert writer) being foolish by trying to be relatable in an inappropriate time rather than detailing the real issue - ppl love to point that out when it happens don't miss this opportunity[/spoiler][spoiler]If IB needs less shots to kill & regens at same speed, it'll kill bosses way faster too. That nerf is in the same vein as the Gally nerf[/spoiler][spoiler]BH is 18 uninterrupted shots vs unlimited uninterrupted shots are we really complaining about that? Non issue in my personal opinion[/spoiler]

Personally I'm not against changes. If they have been decided by the development- to fit into the story or scheme of the expanding game. As often is the case. And I belive is here as well. What I don't like- is seeing organized nerf posts - generated by a group or 2 of people that don't represent the majority. Because of the false reading of more feedback about a topic at hand doesn't give the development the info required. And in the end they just disregard and I have to sit here and read about it. . Lol I trust the guys who set the pins up for me. Time for me to knock them down

Seriously the biggest problem this game has is lag, the need to concentrate on that, I think weapon nerfs are not as important, it's lag that ruins the game for me not weapons.

Because they should only do these nerfs for pvp only. Ghally, black hammer, and icebreaker are the some of the best weapons to make stupid grinding a way faster. You need weapons like this to be strong against bullet sponges and for raids. Their are people out their who only take people with Gally but their are literally thousands of other people that don't care that includes me. Their are even people with Gally that go out of their way to help people without Gally to complete raids. Bungie is just doing this to increase the amount of time you spend fighting bosses and increase hours played for destiny overall. It's stupid and only nerfs for pvp should be applied and they can do it because they did it for the shotgun.

It's a way to make the new guns in TTK look better. In other words Bungie is saying, "Fvck your couch, give us money!"

Becuase it is a way to artificially extend playtime, so we have to grind for be w weapons and he have an incentive to buy the taken king to get the new weapons, which makes our current playtime on the game obsolete, along with the raids.

People cry that the game is too repetitive, but get mad when they can no longer do things only one way. The IQ of this forum is through the floor.