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Edited by Spilled Milk:
3/5/2015 9:49:38 PM
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Please help me understand your stance on abortion
Hello,
This is mainly for those who are for the legality of abortion to respond. I am not looking for an argument or anything, I just want to better understand your side better.
So, science shows us that at 4 weeks a baby has its own DNA and own brainwaves, feels pain, and so on (i am posting from my phone so I am not going to link it now but may later). What then stops it from being a distinct person? If it is because it's brainwaves are not fully developed, neither are they when they are born. Heck, male brains do not reach full maturity until 30. If it is because of the lack of self-sufficiency, the handicapped maintain rights (and though philosophically, none are entirely self-sufficient because none can create their own oxygen).
I am not talking about times when it can kill the mother or in cases of -blam!-. I am not talking about "being ready" or so on (though if that is your argument let me know, though I think it is insufficient to end a life for his reason). I am talking about the baby's life. Why should we have the right to end it? Does the mother's right trump the child's? Why? And how does it differ from a slave owner's "right" to have similar rights over another's life?
I am speaking from a human rights standpoint- why isn't the baby considered human? The rest, we can discuss later, but this is mostly what I want to understand better.
Thank you for your opinions.
Edit: the article mentioned is "having a life versus being alive" by T Kusher in the journal of medical ethics.
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Lori should have aborted that baby in season 2
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The only acceptable reason for me is when the mother's life is at risk.
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I'm against abortion but not for any religious views. Ultimately, it's the woman's choice and I wouldn't excommunicate someone who has an abortion. I just think they can always put it up for adoption and hopefully the baby goes to a family who needs one. Not some dirtbag, child abusing family. But again, Woman's choice [spoiler]I'm atheist btw[/spoiler] [spoiler]Except for the Eight and the One, Sithis, Daedric Princes and the Forgotten Gods[/spoiler]
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Call me old fashioned... But what's wrong with just pushing her down the stairs? # problem solved
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2 RepliesI see a lot of arguments here. First of all, there do exist legitimate and morally positive reasons to get an abortion, but those usually are when the mother's life is in danger. The procedure needs to exist. However, the procedure needs to be taken seriously by both those who are receiving it and the law. There's something else that needs to be taken seriously: sex and sex education. People need to be taught that sex has consequences. One of those consequences can be a baby. An [b]abortion should not be treated as an escape from the consequence of poor decisions. [/b] I also see a lot of "minority report" arguments where people think a baby should be aborted because the baby COULD live a horrible life in bad situations. Such a statement is an illogical grounds for an abortion because the baby COULD ALSO live a great life. The baby could be a transitional character and cure diseases. I don't know, you don't know. No one knows. This is a very defeatist argument that relies on pessimism and hopelessness.
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2 RepliesI'm a guy so I don't really have a say in this. I don't like or condone abortion, but it's her choice. I'll be damned if the government could tell me what to do with my body. (Example: all left-handed people must use right hand only-it's the law! Bullshit! My body, my choice, end of story.
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Also I like the title of that article, having a life vs being alive. I see this argument a lot as well around this thread. How do you judge when a fetus is alive or not? How about at the moment of conception? Once that embryo is fertilized and implanted in the womb it has the potential to become a human being. Women who have miscarriages mourn over the loss of their babies. And yes they call them babies, not fetuses. Why shouldn't people mourn when they abort a fetus?
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I dont like abortion but it's not my choice (im a male btw). But there's reasons as to both why i do and don't agree with the choice
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1 ReplyI used to be pro life. I would like to still think I am, but since I met my gf I believe I am more pro choice now? It's not like my views were forced or anything, but after hearing it out from the woman's side, I am more inclined to let them choose what they wish. At a certain point, the woman can be as much of a victim as the child. As a result, I could never be able to tell a woman how they should handle this situation. If the woman was my gf/wife, I would let her choose what she wanted to do, but I would first let her know that I would rather take on the struggle and keep the baby alive.
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Its kinda funny if you think about it
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109 RepliesEdited by SaintHills_: 3/7/2015 8:28:44 PMThe child is not alive until it can live outside of the womb without extended help
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3 RepliesThree words: Abortion is murder
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An abortion to save a life due to medical complications is 100% acceptable. An Abortion because you had to have sex, and you forgot the pill, and didn't use a condom, not even remotely acceptable. If an individual feels they are mature enough to indulge in sexual exchange. Then they need to also be mature enough to deal with the consequences. If someone can just remove a screw up from life it never has any lasting effect on them in life. It literally is removing responsibility from the process of aging, this creating irresponsible idiots.
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3 RepliesEdited by Regret: 3/7/2015 9:19:11 PMThe argument about it isn't living is stupid Yes, it may not be living, [b]but you are ending the life that it could've had[/b]
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Freedom to choose. Every individual has different circumstances in life as to have an abortion or not. The problem is people are not educated enough to understand the repercussions of sex. Usually the people who need an abortion are the ones that are to immature or uneducated to understand these repercussions Its a shame they have to resort to abortion! But in my view its actally worse to let these types of people bring up children. Basically, -blam!-wits should not be allowed kids!
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It's a choice, but please do it early so the unborn child won't feel it.
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My stance is that I don't care as long as it doesn't effect me. Do whatever you want people. Jeez.
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I am personally pro life, no matter the circumstances. But I also realize that it is not my place to force someone to into my beliefs. So while I might disagree with someone's choice to get an abortion, I would respect their choice. Though I would hope to have discussion with them about the choice.
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2 RepliesHow about we put it like this: If it becomes illegal, then there will only be illegal ways of doing it. Only an ignorant, unintelligible, moronic, dumbass would focus the entirety of the topic on wether or not it's 'right' or 'wrong'. The fact is that the prohibition didn't stop drinking any more than illegalizing gay marriage stopped gay marriages. No I'm not Rightwinged. Sure, I'm progressive. But the most important thing here is the common sense that says if an abortion is going to happen (AND IT -blam!-ING WILL) it's better to have a clean, safe environment where people who are trained to provide low-to-no-risk medical procedures, than have people in the back of someone's RV with coat-hangers and bonfire roasting sticks.
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If it's because of r(ape then honestly yes I'm with it 100% I wouldn't want any girl or woman giving birth to a child that came from a -blam!- because of the long term hate that usually develops for that child If it's the girls being a sl(ut and doing every guy that breathes then no it's not okay
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Well my stance is quite simple. It involves placing the topic in the South Pole, then deciding that Iceland is a nice place to live.
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5 RepliesI just can't ever get over the sheer brutality of it. The baby in the womb is an innocent child Who Is being murdered by its mother(so to speak) If you can't support a child, what's the point in having sex in the first place? For pleasure? It shouldn't be, the point of sex is to bond a male and a female, and later or have a child.
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 3/7/2015 6:14:39 PM2 points 1. I feel life starts and ends with biological metabolism. If your body can regulate itself when you put food or oxygen in then you are alive. You are dead when your body can no longer metabolize things resulting in your cells dying off. 2. Abortion and prohibition go together for this one reason. Making a practice illegal does not ensure the end of it. It only leads to trouble, dirtier methods, and black markets appear. You make abortion illegal you will unleash a can of problems you can't see yet. Every case is different so I can't say I am for nor against abortion. All I know is making it illegal is not the way to go.
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1 ReplyWhy are there no laws against women that keep getting pregnant but can't be responsible enough to have kids? Abortions should come with mandatory castrations
