But why tho.

Everything he said about PVP is facts, idc about the raid stuff, don't listen to the cry babies.

Datto's PvE point is only valid if there are difficultly separations within all content, for casual play, hobbies play and hardcore play. An example of this would be let's say the Leviathian Raid. If a Story mode existed, that was just the experience of the Raid without the loot, that would be the Casual mode, so nobody gets "locked out." Normal Leviathian with normal Raid loot would be for the hobbiests. Prestige Leviathian for hardcore players with curated loot, better chance for the Raid exotic (guaranteed if flawless) and Raid armor that can have perks such as, do more damage to X type enemies specific to the Raid, but can be used outside the Raid, or things like Taken Armaments that are apart of the armor perk so you can have your mod slot free.

WoR doesn’t need to be nerfed. Bosses just need to counter it better. Raid bosses work well around 1 phasing, prestige raids can be brought back to provide a fuller mechanic reliant experience.

Shorten roaming supers duration, remove all super extending perks, remove super mods ( I am excited that intellect, discipline and strength are returning) and change heavy spawn to how it was in D1. [spoiler]there is no spoiler stupid[/spoiler]

I think this is really a simple one. Datto made good and bad arguments. This is forum is for discussion not shitting on people for their opinions. I think his pvp concerns were spot on. His pve concerns maybe but we have to take into account his biases. He’s a streamer who plays and makes his money from this game. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t do much else outside of this game. As someone who does have things to do outside of this game, as does probable 99% of the community. We feel it’s a bit egregious to let the minority dictate how the majority should enjoy or even play the game. The lost sense of reality was seen in that game simply by the fact that not everyone is fortunate to play as much as other and come to the realization that certain things make the game less complicated. That is not the majority’s problem. That’s the minority’s problem. If they want the game to be harder than out on different loadouts and play. I literally watched gladd one phase riven solo using he cheesiest loadout. Then complain riven is easy. Well not shit Sherlock when you cheese it get easier.. So please don’t come at the majority with this minority knows better crap when the minority is entranced in a video game for their lives and don’t understand what it’s like to be able to jump on 5 hours a week. Again some of the points I completely agree with, especially the pvp aspect but for pve, give me a break.

He does make a point about WoR

If its that one where he wants to snipe all the time and never went for heavy or going for the zones, ya that video is not something I agree with. PvP does need to be tweaked with the supers and heavy drops yes, but his rant on the PvE side was ridiculous. He goes in with a full squad and says he is forced to play as warlock and then says the game is too easy. I am playing solo and I got something around 10 quests I can't finish cause of no Matchmaking type game modes for what I need to do, I think the game is hard as is. Going into iron banner solo and being put against a full team that is stacked, that is some hard game play right there.

He gets pretty whiny...and mixes up some personal preference issues along with legitimate criticism of bad game design choices by Bungie...... ....but all-in-all he pretty much hits the mark. Give him a solid B+ on hitting the points as to why Crucible is a pretty miserable experience for the average player.

I agree with all of the pvp stuff, pvp is at rock bottom right now I have friends leaving daily and i feel like the personell going down with a sinking ship, i love your game Bungie plz make pvp great!

i like getting heavy. maybe too much in a pvp brick but i like a high spawn rate i like getting 2 supers in a match i really like gambit prime (would love a gambit trials) if i were to fix pvp, id start with more playlists and go from there.

I agree with the pvp stuff. There is no need to spam heavy drops everything 40 seconds. Take it back to D1 where heavy drops at 5mins and everyone goes buck wild. There is way too much special ammo in pvp as well. you shouldn't be able to main a shotty/fusion for 90% of the game because picking up one brick of ammo gives you like 10 rounds because of perks.I wouldn't mind the super spam if you could actually deal with them, but every roaming super now lasts like 2 mins with near infinite health and its some of them are blatantly 1 sided and bonkers as all get out. As for the pve stuff, I am pretty sure we've been able to 1 phase bosses long before Well of Radiance was a thing so that isn't the problem. I mean, how many youtubers made the "Gun inta-kills Calus/ Strike bosses" before Forsaken came out... Argo's could be 1 phased with Whisper/Cluster bomb rockets/darci, and Val Calor could be 1 phased with Arc strider melee/ Wardclif/ merciless, cluster rockets, etc etc.... Plus, doesn't Datto play everything with his usually stacked team of "pros" anyway? Of course the game is "easy" for him. Play these with randos... We've also been asking bungie to make bosses with interesting and varied dps phases, but no matter what, all the bosses boil down to, "welp, I'm gonna stand here and tank for 20 seconds, gg bud" It' not just WoR either. We have so many damage buffs and weapon synergies that make us do absolutely insane dps either way you cut it. Heck, people are solo-ing raid bosses a Hunter and a 1-2 Punch shotty.... Bungie says they don't want to make content that requires you to run certain ailities, but then that s what they keep making... If you're going to make content where your idea of "difficulty" is to just make enemies 1hk you, no duh people are going to run WoR/WoD... Destiny is Destiny. If Datto wants difficulty and mechanic heavy raids, go back to playing WoW or something. Plus, these are things people have been posting on the forums about for a year+ now.... why is it only "relevant and important" when a youtuber makes a video about it?

He's right that raid bosses in D1 were muuuuch more durable than most of the bosses in D2. Even with the best setups in D1 (which endgame stuff should be challenging even with best setups). Even strike bosses were more of a threat in D1 (granted strike bosses should remain how they are since they need to bump up strikes in the loot department first). Like raid bosses can be 1-2 phased so easily nowadays. I don't really agree with nerfing well but I see where he's comin from with the whole Bungie has to resort to really high damage stuff to kill people in wells to keep a form of challenge, which makes people not in wells, feel like they need well.

Yeah I feel the same way he does

I did 2 resets this weekend and totally know where he’s coming from.

LOL I read comments in these forums all the time that make the same complaints about PvP. But because datto is a streamer or something...people come in here yelling at this video that it doesn't represent the community. (I'm not arguing about the pve side of things and well, I don't necessarily agree/disagree with that)

we need bigger maps.

Ok so Datto wants WoR nerfed because it makes us powerful???? I thought that’s what we wanted? And it makes everyone powerful, not just warlocks

[quote]It may be a hard pill to swallow but there’s some truth to what he’s saying https://youtu.be/gXS5YLs2e0U (Link for those who asked)[/quote] Tried watching it, got tired of his insensate groaning about all things d2, like he just stumbled upon them. Duh Basically he’s crying about something he helped create