Was in a group a few weeks ago, 4 experienced, 2 new guys. I get invited at the bridge after one of the experienced guys leaves. We try it legit, but the leader gets frustrated when the newbs don't know what to do. More or less just telling them you go right, you go left, GET OFF THE PLATE! We wipe 3 or 4 times, then let's just cheese it. We get to the next part and the newbs don't know what to do, so we miss the chest. On to deathsinger, more of you go right you go left....again guys lost. Shooting knights instead of wizards, "what shrieker?". Wipe a few more times then the 3 experienced guys give up and leave. I stay and take 30 minutes and we walk through it. I show them where to go on right and left side, how to get the wizards out, where the shrieker is, and explain the timer that's running the whole time. After 30 minutes, we three took that bitch down. If you can find someone that is patient enough to show you the basic mechanics, anyone that has done weeklies or nightfalls can easily do these raids. If you have done them plenty of times, why not take a few minutes at each stop to explain the next encounter? You were new once too.