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2/12/2015 3:02:26 PM
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A look at nerfing weapons vs real life weapons
First of all I'm sure most of us already know that bungie will be tweaking weapons. For what reason however I'm not really sure? I understand that a lot of people are not happy in pvp because of the strength of the weapons but if you look at the weapons to which we play with and compare them to real life weapons, the game weapons are actually way underpowered and have very poor range. I don't know the percentage of people that play this particular game actually have real guns but I have many and many different types. A good measure for any weapon and their range is simply go to mothyards in the cosmodrome. Find an elevated spot and take a look at some distant enemies. You will notice the longest shot can only be made with a sniper rifle and it's less than 250m? That's absolutely absurd and 100% false if even comparing to 30-06, 270, 243, 308 and not even in the ball park with a Barrett or some other monstrosity of a rifle. I don't have a rifle in my gun cabinet that the scope isn't sighted in less than 250 yards. Now to assault rifles. I and many friends have AR-15s that of course shoot 5.56 rounds. Some have flex sights some with longer range scopes. Flex sights are easily shot at 100 yards and less while other longer distant scopes can and will shoot just as accurately 200-300 yards as a rifle I listed above. It all depends on the optics on the weapon. As for the recoil their is virtually none shooting a fairly large round because they are gas powered which uses the recoil to eject the cartridge therefore less recoil. Shotguns are an absolute joke on the game. People bitch about the range of a shotgun more than anything in pvp but when compared to real life weapons the range is extremely poor, worst in the game by a long shot no pun intended. A shot gun with "bird shot" loads can and will kill a human at 40 yards easily with only a modified choke. Throw a full paternmaster choke in one with the same ammo and you can knock ducks out of the sky at 70-80 yards. The bad thing about what I'm saying is I haven't mentioned shooting 00 buck shot or slugs which have much more range than bird loads. Finally we have hand cannon my favorite group on the game. Bungie is talking about nerfing the effective range but for what reason? They say people sit back and use them as scout rifles. A Taurus raging bull .454 is very accurate at considerable distances no doubt about it. A 60 yard shot is not out of the question by any means, throw a scope on one and you can get 100 yards easily. Smith and Wesson also make a .500 which is indeed bigger than the raging bull. Looking at the platform, these hand cannons were based on the raging bull, 500, and 357 mags. Again the range is not close to what they can actually do in real life not to mention the recoil on the game is over exaggerated. If all three guardian types can't hold a hand cannon somewhat steady then they need to hit the weight room hard. I'm not bashing people for their opinions on the game nor am I bashing bungie as this is still in fact just a game but if I were them I would fix bugs before I messed with the weapons. Just my 2 cents
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Uh hello. It's a video game. It's not supposed to resemble the real life performance of weapons of the same type. Also put spaces between your main points, walls of text are not reader friendly
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Can we all agree that head shots are not the only place that would kill a person faster
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Yeah yeah, all said, still they should really just up the scout and pulse rifles and leave everything else alone if their unhappy with the use of the two weapons.
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4 RepliesBump. Destiny obviously never heard of effective range because a standard military m4 has an effective range at 600 meters with regular ball ammo.
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2 RepliesIts worth noting and the game needs to mostly reflect real life physics but then again it's also a fantasy game and things need to be modified for playability. Too much realism like call of duty or battlefield restricts a game and can make it boring.
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All your arguments are made invalid by two words. Space. Magic. It's a game. Stop overthinking it.
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1 ReplyBump this and give this man recognition. He knows what he's talking about. While my home arsenal isn't as large as what yours seems to be I do love guns and have quiet a few and go to the range once to twice a month so I'm with you on this. I've expressed the same sentiments before ,though not quiet as detailed, and can't figure out what the guys developing the game were/are thinking. My guess is they more than likely have never picked up a real firearm in their lives. Wouldn't surprise me if they were liberal gun grabbers as well.
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1 ReplyI have been arguing this for some time only to be argued with, I'm not asking for my shotgun to have realistic range or my Vanquisher to be an m-16 but to just balance accordingly since they base their guns off of real ones. Hand cannons shouldn't be able to land 3 headshots at 80yds in 1second like the last word and snipers should have scope sway and flinch when shot
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1 ReplyCouple things: 1. Future. Don't compare guns from Destiny to our "modern weaponry" 2. Sure, you are accurate with an AR15 at 250 yards...when you are using bipods or some sort of bracing or a bench. Stand up, or better yet, RUN and try to shoot at a target that is 250 yards away...WHILE BEING SHOT AT...good luck. 3. Shotguns are not something you shoot at human-sized target WITH armor at 100 yards with buck-shot and expect any level of accuracy, especially while walking/running. Now, if you REALLY want to try and compare Destiny to modern weaponry let's establish a couple boundaries: 1. We are guardians and epic. We are capable of great accuracy, and some of us are Exos which could be capable of better accuracy than meat. Despite that, we are not perfect, and expecting us to be as accurate as the gun is capable is not realistic. 2. These are still projectile weapons and have limitations similar to our current weaponry. 3. We are never laying on the ground or sitting at a bench. You shoot on the move. That is less accurate. Hand cannons - While standing, walking, or running, a large caliber hand cannon is capable of about 150 yards. For a gun to hold 12 rounds (like, say, Fatebringer) the cylinder would need to be MASSIVE to hold something like a 454. Let's assume .357 Magnum is more realistic. If that is the case, 100+ yard shots on the move are probably the maximum reliable range for pointing at a head and expecting to hit it...AS A GUARDIAN. We normal folk would be pretty awesome to do it at half that distance. AutoRifles - The magazines on these weapons are HUGE, so they are likely a sub-machine gun caliber like 9mm. From that, expecting them to hit a target over 150 yards is probably unrealistic. Pulse Rifles - These 3-shot burst weapons would at most be 5.56. AT MOST. From a game-mechanics standpoint (DPS) a three-round-burst should do as much damage as a single scout rifle shot. Weapons like this should be capable of reaching out to 250 yards...but on the run...aiming down a scope...good luck. Scout Rifles - These are battle rifles shooting something like a .308 for weapons like Badger (high impact, low magazine) or an intermediate caliber like 6.8SPC (Another NITC). These weapons should have slightly more range than pulse rifles, but their knock-down power at the end of their range should be significantly higher than pulse rifles. Sniper rifles - Do you shoot large-caliber sniper rifles standing up? Want to try my .300 Win Mag while standing? No? Neither do I. The effective range of the weapon is easily 1000 meters, but let's be realistic for someone walking or running...maybe 400m. Shotguns - Less than 100M. Lots of impact at closer than 30M. Fusion Rifles - Space Magic. Rocket Launcher with wolf-pack rounds - DaFuq? FUTURE.
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Hmm you want this to be realistic? Have fun with bullet drop on your big ass hand cannon. What about fusion rifles and rockets, fusions would decimate more then they do and rockets would have an arch more then the M in McDonald (trying to make this relatable to the community)
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Oh my good God could people stop doing the video game versus "real world" comparisons? I've been a gunsmith and weapons instructor for nearly 15 years. All the errors and mall ninja misconceptions are making my brain hurt. The game is too limited to try and use real physics for their weapons. Games that try to use this are much larger in scope and are generally limited to PC. Arma 3 is a good example. Console games, particularly fps are made the way they are for balance. Most of the statements made about the capability of this or that weapon system are horrifyingly limited and clearly not being made by anyone with more than a simplistic experience level. Stop trying. Please.
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You're right the guns should be more realistic. We need to take all the perks off. Because perks are not realistic. I need realism in my futuristic space shooter, where we battle strange time bending robots on Venus.
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4 RepliesIf you're knocking ducks down at 80 yards I'm calling the game warden :)
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True dat but video game so... I laugh everytime someone tells me shotguns have no range in real life doe.
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3 RepliesThis is destiny not ghost recon in graw i can see this being a big thing. But this game is from far real as it going to get the day a gun starts healing people per kill is the day i fear.
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You'd hate Battletech.
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Key point here is also what happened in lore. This is after Humanity has basically collapsed. The fact that the guns work as well as they do might be a small wonder. Failing that, it may also be adapting to the changing environment of battle. Situations are coming to a point where certain ranges are more favored, and long-range firepower isn't as needed.
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i dont get why people are so mad at bungie... this is there first game since what, halo right? there trying the best they can to make our destiny experiance more adventrus and fun! let them do what they want give them a chance!!!
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18 RepliesHahahaha everything you said about ar 15's is so wrong
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3 RepliesIs this guy for real? Yeah let's balance guns based on real life.
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The game isn't real tho
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13 RepliesI would love you see you try to kill someone with bird shot at 40 yrd with a normal shotgun, No doubt it would hurt, but doubtful it would kill, also you have to realize that the shotguns in destiny are all of the short barrel variety, and those types of shotguns have a kill range of about 10-20 yards max.
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The response bungie would be likely to give... The terraforming of all the planets created a thicker atmosphere thus much more resistant for bullets to fly to their targets restricting ranges from our past (current) knowledgable ranges.
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What would the range and damage of Phogof 's eye blast do then?
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But you forgot theres....SPACE MAGIC i would go in detail about it but, i dont have time to explain
