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3/24/2021 11:21:44 AM
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Shotguns in PvP
Shotguns in PvP should be banned 🚫
I'm not a good PvP player but they are just a terrible thing to have in PvP. Promotes lazy gun play. Slide and shoot that's it.
Ban shotguns from PvP.
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#destiny2
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As someone who is utter dogcrap at PvP. I put on a felwinters... Its a easy weapon to use and get kills with. Literally takes 0 skill.
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48 RepliesAll shotguns need a blanket range nerf (slight) but snipers are wayyyyy more powerful and oppressive than shotguns ever are. At least you can outplay a shotgunner simply enough where as a good sniper is so much harder to punish
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Edited by SilverSurferGuy: 3/25/2021 7:31:33 PMJust use stasis on them. They hate it. And I mean HATE it! I matched with a sliding shotgunner. Killed me once, retaliated with a stasis warlock melee, did the frozen emote, then as he was just about to break free, shot gunned him in the face. I then proceeded to do this for the remainder of the match and he was getting more and more upset that he couldn’t use his cheesy trick on me. OOOOHHHH THE HATEFUL MESSAGES I GOT FROM THE POOR BUGGER WAS HILARIOUSLY GLORIOUS!! How dare I use a cheesy and annoying move to counter an equally cheesy and annoying move. And this is coming from a PvE player 😂
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1 ReplyI hate shotguns in PvP probably more than most ppl but cmon. You can’t just ban them. That’s just dumb. Nerf them into oblivion, make them so horrible that using them would be torture. Kind of like using a 450 auto. I mean that’s only fair.
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3 Replies[quote]Shotguns in PvP should be banned 🚫 I'm not a good PvP player but they are just a terrible thing to have in PvP. Promotes lazy gun play. Slide and shoot that's it. Ban shotguns from PvP.[/quote] Meh, I’d rather see them ban the whiners in the forum.
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I notice a lot of lower skill players tend to not run a load out that can defend a shotgun - e.g. an auto and a handcannon for instance. Maybe try equipping a sidearm, smg, fusion or even a shotgun to clinger these players. A lot of shotgun players are bad and they gift you kills. The good ones are very oppressive but they would be with other guns too.
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(Laughs and points at you)
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1 ReplyI use slugs so im not part of this
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1 ReplyIt's more that there aren't enough open/medium to large maps. The only changes shotguns need themselves are removing Quickdraw and Opening Shot. You have summoned me.
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Maps in D2 are the reason shotgun are mostly used. Because they are small. Don't blame the player if the map design is the problem
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I mean if we nerf shotguns everyone is just going to hide and rotate for the best sniper shot ooorrrrr use their cheesy fusion rifles point hold done, either way nerfing a gun archetype doesn’t fix the core problem you will still get rolled by special weapons.
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4 RepliesShotguns aren’t the problem, merely the oversaturated ammo economy
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It was called destiny 2 vanilla weapon system. The revert to destiny 1 is to blame and the minority of the player who couldn’t stand progression.
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1 ReplyIm starting to main Chaperone with IH/Palindrome. Never knew Chaperone was THIS good. Honestly this might be the best shotgun in the game, if Felwinters wasn’t so annoying
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Edited by Lee: 3/24/2021 9:03:47 PMAll I would suggest for the time being is work on your positioning more. Play a little more stand offish and don't sit near door ways and corners (not easy with this map design!). Have your own shotgun preferably a quickdraw one or with high handling. As the ape approaches put a few rounds into them then swap to shotty and shoot. You will be able to "outrange" them with your shotty as you have laid some damage down to begin with. This is how I adapted and I usually trade at worst. I play on pc with a controller so when its a very tight turn or they slide passed my I will usually lose as I cant turn quick enough even with max sensitivity but that is what it is. Or become what everyone hates and just stick bastion on and learn to precharge it before stepping out of corners
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Backup and shoot, use a sidearm, use a sub machine gun or use last word to kill the shotgunners
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Just like teamshooting. Both of them are for unskilled players but oh well to fun. If you hate it such as I, treat them to their own poison and make them despise you.
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1 ReplyIts a tough argument but Im inclined to agree. I consider myself good at pvp and from my perspective shotguns are fine, there is a skillgap in movement, reaction time, and awareness that is not present when using any other type of weapon. It is not easy to be good at shotgunning at a high level by any means. The problem is that the gun type itself is too good, if you ignore how hard it is to use them, and could probably use a nerf at least to quickdraw. The situation is such that the weapon is so effective that the winner of engagements is left entirely up to player skill and decision making in the moment, and while this does create a skillgap at the high level it is oppressive to lower level players. The best example I can think of for this in another game is the guns in Valorant. Valorant is a tactical shooter similiar to CSGO but with much more forgiving aiming and movement mechanics, and most Valorant pros are ex tier 2-3 CSGO pros. As a result, the duels in pro Valorant games are actually very fun to watch because it is not aiming that they have to worry about since they all hit 100% headshots, instead it is all about split second decision making, reaction time, and positioning just like with shotguns in Destiny. The guns in that game are so good and so easy to use at a high level that the skillgap for actually shooting your gun ends long before the skillgap for utility usage, movement, positioning, reaction time and so on. I think this is fine in Valorant because it is a tactical shooter so of course raw aim is not all there is to the game. But destiny is an arena shooter, it is a run and gun game. A gun that is actually easy to shoot but difficult to position yourself with and use effectively could be seen as unhealthy for the sandbox. I have no set in stone opinion, I think shotguns are fine how they are but I can see the issue for casual players.
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2 RepliesShotguns grant the easiest kill, why would players use anything else? Exactly, they won't.
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[quote]Shotguns in PvP should be banned 🚫 I'm not a good PvP player but they are just a terrible thing to have in PvP. Promotes lazy gun play. Slide and shoot that's it. Ban shotguns from PvP.[/quote] No, this isnt fair, move them back to the heavy slot. They are way too powerful to be special ammo weapons.
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If I had to choose between shotguns and camping with a sniper at the back of the map, give me a shotgun meta anyday. Sniper meta is genuinely one of the most boring we get.
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5 RepliesOr you could just stay out of pvp.
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Don't blame shotguns. Blame the maps. Too many tight spaces and corners that promote aggression with shotguns and Stasis abilities. You can nerf shotguns and they'll still be all over the place.
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Aren't they getting or already received a nerf, might as well ask the garbage of D2 vanilla to come back.
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Maybe remouving quickdraw and opening shotgun will nerf them significaly
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They are fine.. its mobility that needs tuning but they cant change that without LOTS of complaints Shotguns are fine though as you just gotta play patiently if someone’s around a corner n such If you get rush just jump to the side or jump back
