[quote] Osiris gear that is specifically meant for a minority group of players.[/quote] No it is not, it's for anyone who will commit to acquiring the gear. [quote]They've, yet again, alienated their core player base by doing so. That you nor Bungie can grasp that is worrying.[/quote] As a member of the core player base; I'd like to understand where you get that info; if it's bnet youre drawing from a roughly 2% sample size and your comment is dismissed. [quote]If you continue to pander to the minority, you'll start to hemorrhage players.[/quote] Except Trials is open to everyone in the game, and your argument rings hollow. If you're a solo player- I feel for you. At one point I might have agreed with you; but you are using all of my old talking points when it came to arguing the subject, all of which have been debunked. The game is alive and well, Bnet is a lot of cry-babies and bandwagoners.

[quote][quote] Osiris gear that is specifically meant for a minority group of players.[/quote] No it is not, it's for anyone who will commit to acquiring the gear. [quote]They've, yet again, alienated their core player base by doing so. That you nor Bungie can grasp that is worrying.[/quote] As a member of the core player base; I'd like to understand where you get that info; if it's bnet youre drawing from a roughly 2% sample size and your comment is dismissed. [quote]If you continue to pander to the minority, you'll start to hemorrhage players.[/quote] Except Trials is open to everyone in the game, and your argument rings hollow. If you're a solo player- I feel for you. At one point I might have agreed with you; but you are using all of my old talking points when it came to arguing the subject, all of which have been debunked. The game is alive and well, Bnet is a lot of cry-babies and bandwagoners.[/quote] You just lost any credibility in your use of emotive language, thereby proving theres nothing to be gained for discussing this with someone of you ilk further. Try and have a nice life.

Look, I can see that you wanting to pander to the majority doesn't do the game any favors either. You including everybody Waters down the game and harms the integrity of the activities. [b][i]That has already been proven[/i][/b]. PVP is like 20% of the game and it does not hold a candle to the amount of PVE players that are in destiny. I think that PVP players should have their moment having a top pinnacle activity. How it's handled is up for debate but I will disagree 100% that you cannot pander to 100% of the player base in every single aspect of this game. Growing up, I had the luxury of playing many types of shooters. Players today having a PS4 is their first console, or an Xbox etc playing fortnite and the latest call of duty and then destiny don't understand how sweaty shooters really are. They're new to it and need to develop their understanding that PVP is competitive and that you really need to buckle down and learn the game in order to achieve your goal of being top dog. What we end up getting our players that want to engage in the activity but want participation trophies and complain the whole way through. You sit there and talk about numbers this and numbers that like others here and you don't understand that these kind of players want to harm the integrity of the activity. we have to be careful about wanting to change certain aspects of trials because a lot of these suggestions are self-serving. [b][i] what is trial supposed to be?[/i][/b] [b][i] how is it different than any competitive mode?[/i][/b] [b][i] how should we treat our pinnacle activities in this game?[/i][/b] Although it is accessible to every player, who honestly benefits from it?

[quote] [b] what is trial supposed to be?[/b] [b] how is it different than any competitive mode?[/b] [b] how should we treat our pinnacle activities in this game?[/b] Although it is accessible to every player, who honestly benefits from it?[/quote] These are the right questions, and how clearly Bungie states the answers will help determine whether it's something the players want or don't want. As a PvE main who dabbles in PvP, I'm personally quite fine if Bungie goes with the current model, but then again, if Trials fails, as I think it ultimately will under the current iteration, it doesn't harm me. I have other stuff to do I prefer to do. If I take a step back and look at this more broadly, I would have to want Trials to succeed because that's good for the [i]game[/i], which is good for everyone engaged in content of any kind. A game like this needs to appeal to a broad spectrum of players. And there's the catch. That broad spectrum of players has to come to realize a game this big will have parts that do not appeal to them on any level. And that's okay. Do the other parts. The thing is, I know people, and I used to be one, that approached this game from a "completionist" viewpoint, that is, they wanted the platinum trophy (PS4 thingy). That meant every single triumph, seal, ship, sparrow, weapon, armor, EVERYTHING had to be won. I am a platinum D1 player. I quickly realized in D2 I wouldn't chase that anymore, because it wasn't fun, it was work. And really, who among you is impressed I am a platinum D1 player? No one, exactly. If you are playing Trials it should be because you desire to face the very best players and see where you stand. You should wish to be challenged, expect to be challenged, and know you will lose some, and handle that like an adult. You shouldn't be looking for easy meat, to k/d farm, or any such childish shortcut. The spirit of the mode is being the best, and being the best means you are challenged every step of the way. Top to bottom, our player base doesn't get this for the most part. Either on the bottom players expect to get all the stuff without facing the best players, or on the top players avoid the top players by looping back down to the earlier tiers to face weaker opponents and get loot anyway, and more of it. Everyone is to blame. And that's why Bungie has to remake aspects of the system so it works better. Sure, that violates in some ways the purity of the event, but top to bottom, over and over, this player base has proven it really doesn't want to sweat its way to the top. They will take the path of least resistance to the goal.