All you're doing is showing your own bias. Pointing out the postulates (things that need to be accepted without proof) that are part of religion, while BLIND to the postulates within your own system of thought and worldview. Which you cannot do and still call yourself someone who honors the intellectual discipline of Science. [i]Professional applied scientist here. [/i] [quote]As well, science can almost prove with certainty the theory of evolution of life on our planet.[/quote] Evolution and Natural selection prove that Evolution WAS THE MEANS BY WHICH LIFE DIFFERENTIATED INTO SPECIES (once life appeared) AND GAVE US ALL THE MODERN FORMS OF LIFE. They have very little to say----and very little they can prove---about how life APPEARED on Earth. For the simple reason that no evidence of life on that scale survived to this day. We can make some educated GUESSES as to how life appeared through what we know of biochemistry and molecular biology...but that's all they are at this point. [quote]How do you discredit science and all the factual evidence supporting evolution and discrediting the validity of religion as a whole?[/quote] Because none of that is necessary. THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN RELIGION AND SCIENCE. There is only a conflict between Religious authoritarians/Bibilical Literalists......and Rational Materialists ("Atheists"). IOW, you have a war between COMPETING IDEOLOGIES that NEITHER side can prove the truth of. The fact is that the "Question of God" is a fundamentally NON-SCIENTIFIC question. You cannot prove or DISPROVE the existence of a being who is NOT SUBJECT TO NATURAL LAW. IOW, a being that can change the Laws of Physics as a matter of will is perfectly capable of DENYING you the evidence you seek Whether you wish to prove or disprove His or Her existence. Also the Sciences are just an extension of the power of observation through our 5 physical senses. Even wtih technology, we percieve the Universe throught the technological equivalent of a PINHOLE camera. So it is the height of arrogance to assume the tiny slice of Reality which we percieve....is all that there is. I find it funny that Rational Materialist will accept talk of a Multiple Universes if you couch the discussion in Quantum Mechanics or M (Super-string) Theory. (Many Physicists dont' consider M-Theory to be a scientific theory yet, because it is not testable or falsifiable at this point) But the second talk of mutliple universes (what do you think Heaven, Hell, and after-death Underworlds ARE at the end of the day?) is couched in any sort of spiritual jargon, they immediately reject it. The first discipline that a real scientist learns is to reserve judgement----do not speak with authority on things you do not know----and to not get ahead of the data. TLDR: [b] [i]What Science explains is that you do not NEED a "God" in order for the Universe to work. But just because plants dont' need a Farmer to grown is not proof of the non-existence of Farmers and Gardeners. But Science cannot---and many never---be able to address the issue of First Causes. Science says that Something can't come from Nothing. Energy is conserved. Mass is conserved. Everything is the result of prior conditions. So how do you explain how that FIRST THING arose? Science can't do that. All we have are various hypotheses that basically kick the can down the road. as we broaden the range of things we can learn about and understand.[/i][/b]

I’m less interested in whether or not there is a god than I am with what it would mean if there is one. So I’ve contemplated this idea as if there is one, and that leaves nothing worthy of any consideration, let alone worship. It also rendered the Abrahamic versions of god absolutely worthy of ridicule.

I mean it says so in the Quran so I believe God is real

Nobody needs to convince you of anything. If you don’t already know then your name is not in the book of Life. To bad so sad.

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Creationism is a paradox, there’s too many flaws in the readings, and the portrayal of the messiahs of all coutures have been almost inaccurate An example of this was the story, and imagery of Jesus was created hundreds of years after his death, so any picture, or any readings about his story may have been false, it would of been more likely for Jesus to be a Israeli darker skinned person, as he was born in the Middle East.... Then going back to the paradox, if there is a creator, why do people think he came out of existence like a strange smell on a subway, if he poofed into existence, why does humans have to be created, why couldn’t we just poof into existence, also The Whole creator needs a creator thing which I the basis for this post, it’s a infinite paradox that will never be solved... [spoiler]👂👁👄👁👂[/spoiler]

[quote]So far there’s been little to nothing convincing in support of “god”.[/quote] Well instead of debating our differences as correct or incorrect let's try to draw a common thread. A mind closed to the conception of possibilities outside the realm of what it considers reality, cannot conceive of a god. To them; they're experience on an individual level considers it impossible- a reasonable and logical conclusion. Remove "God" from the equation; To believe is to leap without looking, to have faith is to not fear the consequences of the fall, this is frightening, and foolish to them, because it flies in the face of objective reality. Yet it is the one connecting thread between the atheistic and "believers". Some atheists will profess to "believe" in themselves, or others, things they can touch and see, or rather; in the actions of themselves or others, or how they conduct their business. Anyone who has had their faith rewarded by somebody who they "believed in" whether it was a personal victory or the accomplishment of another will congratulate themself, naturally, or maybe tell themselves they knew it was the right choice. In reality, infinite possibilities dictate what could have resulted in a failure at any point, and then their faith in themselves or others might have been in vain. Anyone who has had their trust shaken by someone they believed in can relate to this. We don't need to acknowledge the existence of a God to have faith and believe. God could be replaced by something with a different name and the truth would still be the same. What matters is the web of possibilities that make up consciousness, I think I am; therefore I am. asterisk = anything I want. Human Existence is influenced by thought, words and actions, and scientists like shroedinger, and pavlov demonstrated the truth of infinite possibilities. For example, something as subtle as trying to decide whether to get pistachio ice cream or chocolate can mean the difference between two very different outcomes, one choice might lead to very little consequence, and one might lead to the discovery of an undetected and deadly food allergy. We don't think about these possibilities, because it is better not to, why worry when both choices could lead to simply a delicious treat.. In bigger or more critical decisions one where the outcome could be dire or is very uncertain, we draw on what we know to make the best decision we can, but even with knowledge and science we still sometimes get it wrong. The future, or the concept we have of it revolves around what we suspect or in most cases hope might happen, but in a world where infinite possibilities exist we are physically and mentally unable to comprehend them all. Think of an ant, It will no more comprehend your full measure, in its limited lifespan, than you can fully comprehend the distance that the atoms in your body traveled through the universe before they came together to form you; in your own limited lifespan- that's not to say you can't try, but then again why even bother? You'll never know it all. yet still we seek to unlock the secrets of the cosmos. Believing and having faith that things will turn out alright, is a natural and normal state in the face of infinite chaos, and one does not need to believe in God to feel that way. If things are going well, generally we are optimistic, when things are going poorly, we are generally pessimistic and less likely to feel like everything is going to be ok. So if we can agree that both "believers" and atheists can have faith, and believe. We have drawn a single common thread between them providing one tiny and insignificant relative commonality, suggesting- in a world of infinite possibilities- that they both are seeking the same answer, with different tools, is it a probable outcome? No. But it exists. Whether you choose to believe in your child is the same as choosing whether or not to believe in "God". In the end it is of little consequence, things will happen based on an infinite amount of variables and relative constants that are shifting with every passing second, sometimes faster. To reduce the possibilities based on probabilities is logical, but to acknowledge the possibility however small is wise, if a bit unnecessary in a universe of infinite possibility. God is conceivably one of infinite answers in a search for truth among chaos, And if we agree that we can both have faith; believe in something or someone, we can agree that we may be searching for a variation of the same answer. Existence of God is highly improbable, but it is possible. Thats just some of my patented opinion though, I don't really care who or what you believe in I just hope you do believe in something. [quote]TL/DR bla blah blah science blah existence blah God [/quote]

Or I’m not going to put myself in a pointless argument about my religion and ill keep going on with my day [spoiler]twirls stache [/spoiler]

How about we take the easy route, some would say obvious route, and convince you that due to the nature of reality you are unwise to be sure about literally anything?

No.

Simple, look at a computer/robot or velcro they were engineered by us but they already exist in nature, God engineered us the same way.

[quote]Convince me that there’s a being out there that created us all. I’m genuinely curious and looking to debate, not argue.[/quote] Once upon a time there was nothing. And then nothing exploded for no reason and made you. 🙃

We get one of these threads at least once a month

God be like: i created everything. I’m powerful. Cancer? Nah, can’t handle that.

I'm not going to preach anything because I'm a lot like you, except im a bit more open minded. There is no definitive god I believe in. What I believe in is a force, and who am I to say what that force it? It could be a deity, it could be ones and zeros of a simulation. Either way, I dont care because that force is there and I believe that the only way to truly appease it is to just be a decent person. Whether I hold this belief because somewhere deep down I as a person need a concept to grasp such as a god or lack of one, or because I truly believe this. It's what I believe and what I accept as the profound truth, you dont have to accept it, you just have to accept that I have accepted it.

Spaghetti

If you can confidently say there is no God, you’re probably not going to be convinced by anything I have to say, but I’ll at least state a few reasons why I believe: 1. Purpose. I believe without intention behind creation, humanity serves no purpose. Sure, we can say things like life is the pursuit of knowledge, happiness, or whatever else you want it to be, but in the end, there is no absolute reason behind everything created. Born to die. That’s it. 2. Morality. I believe the answers to right and wrong are definite. It’s not something that changes as time goes on. All explanations I’ve seen from the athiest side as to why something is good are basically “do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do.” 3. Eternality. One question I had when I was younger was where God came from. Everything in nature was created at some point and will eventually cease to exist. But if God created the realm in which everything is affected by time, He exists outside of it, and is therefore not subject to its laws.