Just adjust Sleeper's ammo from gambit heavy bricks one brick one shot It will slow it way down but leave its power untouched. It will make other heavys that get more ammo look better.

Chances are the changes will be underwhelming and only impact Gambit Three ideas of what they could do: 1) max ammo capacity changes in this game mode 2) body shots down to a sliver of health 3) No longer kills a guardian in super It will still be viable, you just can't go on a repeated rampage. We all love the gun, and I've given it up to use wavesplitter. But sometimes when i'm hiding in my cave while I watch my team get laser beamed away, I wish I had it equipped so I could do something other than go out of cover and roll the dice on being mapped.

Lmao. Screw it, at this rate just nerf any powerful weapon. Now it’s the Sleeper, then it’ll be Whisper of the Worm, then it’ll be the Ikelos Shotgun, and so on and so on. This game is burdened with continuous outcries for “balance” just to be criticized because exotics & legendaries don’t have any impact. It’s cool though, Black Ops 4 releases next month, and there’s a wealth of other FPS to migrate to. Edit: Grammar

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Gotta love the forums! “Waaaaaaa nerf Sleeper!!!” Bungie: “Gotcha! We’re looking in to it!” “Waaaaaaaa leave Sleeper alone!!!!” .......

No, it's ridiculous in Gambit and will definitely get a nerf. Almost every single one of my Gambit matches have 4 or more people using it because it's easy kills. Just require a head shot to kill a full health Guardian and it won't be nearly as popular. It'll still be devastating in PvE.

Just wait for the thousand voices to be in everyone's pocket then they will really complain lol

Sleeper should be left alone. Remove the tracking and marking thr invader gets and lower the invasion time by 5 seconds. Problem solved. Sleeper is super strong but seeing the enemy location is even stronger. If they chose not to remove the marking of enemy guardians at least have it blink on and off on a 4 second interval.

See, but nobody ever tries to sit down and think about why sleeper deserves some kind of a nerf. Let's get into that shall we: Pros: highest single shot damage in the game. Hit-scan. Ammo efficient. Can carry a lot of ammo in reserves. Can effectively one shot a supered guardian with an overshield with a headshot. Can one shot a guardian outside of super with a bodyshot. Can 2 shot the wizards once their shield are taken out in gambit. Has a long range scope to go with it. Can kill 3/4 the team in a single magazine without any special things needed to be done to kill them, such as headshots. Can sometimes glitch and go straight through a sentinels guard or barricades. Cons: A rather long charge time. Takes up an exotic slot. (The argument that it requires you to constantly track your enemies with your gun to kill them is flawed because you would be doing this anyways) It has a big obvious projectile that can give your position away. Now, I listed a lot more pros than cons, but my problem with the weapon ISN'T it's power nor it's range. It's how much ammo it gets. The heavy pick up gives 3 rounds to sleeper, which gives invaders or invadees a stupid amount of chances to kill enemy guardians. Each ammo brick also gives 3-4 ammo and can sometimes spawn oftenly with heavy ammo finder. Now, based off of what I said above, you should be able to understand what I mean now. It's too effective and efficient unlike any other power weapon. It does nearly double the damage of rockets, but gets more than 2 times the reserves and 3x the magazine of rockets that also have to deal with travel time. This particular weapon can also still be used to clear ads with ricochet, not very effectively, but still doable. If it's going to be that powerful, reduce the ammo it receives as it's nerf. 1 ammo from the pick up and 2 from ammo bricks. This is a huge nerf in gambit, but since gambit is a separate entity, it doesn't have to get effected in the other 2 game modes. I don't want sleeper to be nerfed in anything but gambit Everywhere else it's fun, effective, and I love it.

Since sleeper is crap in pvp i dont agree with a nerf to the weapon. But its a huge problem in Gambit, there is no denying that(from objective people). Its only good because of the truesight you get as an invader, and its high damage coupled with no effective range. This enables you to one-shot everyone, with perfectly timed sleeper shots from a far. Since this weapon is mainly used mid to close range in pve for boss damage and «big targets», and its easy to use with a low zoom you can nerf without destroying its pve strenghts. My suggestion is give it less effective range. You should not be able to one-shot anyone from a long range, and because of the charge time its not ideal in pvp situations up close or mid range. You can still net kills, but you can get outplayed very easily. This way sleepers power is kept for PvE purposes, still usable in gambit, but it wont be nearly as effective to pick out the enemy one by one as it is now.

Honestly I wouldn't mind a sleeper ammo balance/nerf in gambit. There should be a tradeoff for using a easy high range one hit kill weapon in PvP, even if it's exotic. The sleeper is like running around with an op golden gun. I use it myself since it is the best option and I can save my super for the boss/ads. But I'd like to see some more veriety and skill from players using snipers, linear fusions etc. But whatever you do Bungie DO NOT nerf the damage, it won't make any sense for a exotic laser beam to not be one shot in PvP and poor damage in pve. Just put the ammo count under control.

There are ways to do this nerf right. So no, don't leave it alone

Spartan Laser targeting.. laser? It can still do as much as it does, but that would broadcast your location a bit easier in Gambit and wouldn't change dps anywhere else.

thing is, it completelly brokes the flow of a gambit match, because if one team has 4 sleepers, at the moment the buff to the primal is at x4, the team that wins is the one that spams the r2 or rt or left mouse faster, giving you no chance at invade them and make the kills to recover some health, it happens a lot in this instance that you invade and no matter if you have a sleeper to, they have 4, that kills you in a body shot, from the other side of the map, and has no travel time like say, a rocket, same the other way around in the early stages of the match, at 25 and 50 motes, they invade you, and kill you before you start to think of a way of dealing with him or her, and i am by no means an average player in pvp, in crucible it´s fine, but in gambit it´s overpowered for the flow of the game.

my only suggestion is to make Sleeper require head shots to kill in pvp, rather than i hit you in body you died, or have a damage fall of from it. As it stands its a sniper that doesn't need you to be the greatest of shots to have aim on it. That being said, it feels like in gambit, that you need to have it for bosses, and invading if you wanna be effective, and kill as many players as you need, or bosses, that should change, you should bring whatever weapons you feels comfortable in gambit, not just one because it does it all. anyway my suggestion lower the body shot damage, but buff the head shot damage on it.

It doesn't need to be nerfed. Even if it does, do it only in PvP/Gambit. When somebody invades with the sleeper, I hide, and I can outshoot them close range with even a precision handcannon. Think about the PvE sides of things. Stop nerfing, start buffing. I loathe gambit and the crucible, I only play it because of the newly introduced daily milestones, not even a round more. And I'm pretty sure that the majority of the playerbase is with me on this one. Except for the PvP elitists, that is.

Just make power bricks give the sleeper 1 charge instead of the normal. That will promote other weapons that can get more ammo per brick and make it so teams need to negotiate on who gets the 1 sleeper shot to invade. Note that no ammo armor mods can effect the Sleeper in any way except the heavy ammo drops (those still grant only 1 round). The Lord of Wolves is not effected by shotgun ammo mods on armor so why not the Sleeper in Gambit? This system will still make Sleeper relevant and should promote other heavy weapon play.

Nope sorry, it needs a Nerf for pvp. Plain and simple.

Just make it a headshot kill anyone can get a body shot

It does need to be rebalanced technically, but I still agree with the OP. Let's not go down this road again. The only thing that I would agree with nerf wise would be a change to ammo - in gambit only