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5/27/2018 12:15:11 AM
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Byf is our saviour?

Watch byfs latest video on improving destiny 2 and it’s appalling story, tell me if you think he’s onto something? Personally watching it, I felt all the buzz I had during D1 days of play, so many thoughts and possibilities! I’m truly hoping destiny becomes the game it deserves to be, a true masterpiece! https://youtu.be/mzQ7dStwGDY
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  • No, I form my own opinions. YouTube is taking your voice.

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    • 1. Keep in mind the grimoire was developed because they cut out the original story but needed something for players in order to create some amount of interest and investment. 2. Also keep in mind that good lore is not 1000% true or factual. Look at Elder Scrolls, they make sure that all the in game books are written from the perspective of someone living in that world. So there are a lot of things open to misinterpretation giving the writers room while more importantly making the world feel lived in and believable. Look at our world, we have hundreds of mythologies and folk tales, while they are not true they do speak of what kind of culture they were apart of at the time. 3. Byf is a fan of the game who puts together information that he has found in the game. He is not writing the lore nor is he lore master. AND it should not take a youtube creator to piece together grimoire and lore pieces in order to create anything resembling and complete narrative. Sure feel free to make that sort of content, but it should not be his job to pick up mess and Bungie needs to do a better job in the world-building department. 4. There are a dozen other ways lore, whether accurate or not, can be put in this game. Things like: Books, Journals, Audio recordings, Video recordings, Holograms, Character Dialogue and Questioning, Lore entries for every enemy type you encounter and kill, Scanning environments & items & people, Random Encounters, Memorabilia, etc. and so many more. The Grimoire should be a collection of all these things. Heck, have the Ghost read some of the lore to you as you walk around Destiny is a fantasy/sci-fi hybrid so that gives it ALOT of room for implementing lore. That all being said. Campaign stories should be Longer and make sure their context ACTUALLY in the game. We shouldn't need outside lore sources like Youtube and Comics to learn the lore. Byf is right that the Campaign should expanse the whole game, rather than being only the beginning of the game. All the side quests and adventures should in some manner serve the ending of the campaign. Diablo 3 did this very well. I strongly agree with this other post that says to not make the player the main character. That kind of storytelling doesn't work in Online Co-Operative stories. Suddenly everyone is the chosen savior.

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    • Funny, that video was the last straw for me being subscribed to him. Byf's a little too married to the notion that his lore interpretations are canon and if Bungie doesn't follow them, they're ignorant of their canon. No, Byf, they're ignorant of YOUR canon. I mean, he's gone from "Ana Bray is the Exo Stranger" to "Ana Bray should be dead", so even his lore notions seem to be pretty variable. Plus let's face it: his videos since Warmind started might as well be screaming "I SHOULD'VE BEEN AT THE SUMMIT!" so it's kind of unseemly.

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      • Bungie are too busy creating $10 emotes to have time to create story that makes them no money. #spreadthesaltbaby

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        • I'm still at a lose as to why he wasn't at the summit. Byf, jus like Myelin Games & Beard Grizzly & the likes, have done a huge service to this game, and more so, to its fans. It's like Bungie has all these brilliant bits of Lego, but they can't build for sh#t. And then these other kids come round & help them make a way cool spaceship..

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        • Edited by Magnet: 5/29/2018 4:00:53 PM
          Byf gets paid to read lore to us that we can look up for free ?, makes you wonder don't it, he is a lore master argument... Anyone can become one in D1&D2, he didn't get the invited to the summit at bungie, you know why because he contributes nothing really to this game

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          • To bad he wasn't invited to the summit weather the summit was trash or not. The lore community didn't have much of a representation.

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          • I like his ideas but he’s got far too much faith in Bungie...

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          • Can’t stand him. He’s so arrogant.

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            • Edited by Risky: 5/29/2018 6:17:25 PM
              he's good at reading lore, not writing it.

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            • Lmao.

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            • This isn't a narrative driven game. It is different from The Last of Us or the latest God of War.

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              • I do remember one of his Rated R videos saying “Byf our lored and savior” Guess it’s coming true

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              • Edited by AZAWESTIE: 5/28/2018 6:25:36 PM
                I watch all of Byf as it’s interesting stuff. Saying that I played the main campaign 3 x PS4, 3 x PC, COO 3 x PS4, 3 x PC and Warmind 3 x PC. I speed ran everything and skipped all cutscenes for every run. I don’t play for the campaign as it’s mind numbing, so get me to the end game ASAP. I love good lore and storytelling, TLOU, GOW, Uncharted etc but Destiny just doesn’t have the special sauce. I wish it did, and until then it’s a speedrun lads! Edit/Addition: The best story from D1 and D2 is what actually happens in the walls of Bungie, all the drama and reboots! Not to mention following the disastrous decision making for the narratives that ensue. Triple A!

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              • It's a long one but it makes perfect sense. He doesn't focus on what's wrong with Warmind specifically, but rather on how to tell a better story. It's advice that Bungie desperately needs.

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                • Well I’m not totally supporting byf It would appear that, warmind seems to follow a different story then what has been originally shown/told. Almost as if they didn’t have time to write or correct the mistakes they have made in destiny 1 & 2. Does anyone remember the [i]Forge of gods[/i] Leak? It would appear that, directly after the events of taken king, we would have received another small story DLC similar to [i]The Dark Below & House Of Wolves[/i] And [b]Forge[/b] belonging or related to Rasputin’s ability to create the Valkyrie & new warsats , and Nokris having the ability to create “something” Why did we learn that prince uldren survived and crash on mars?? Why did we get to learn about Nokris?? Why did a leak seem to suggest we would interact with a god? That god being xol

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                  • I like Byf but he’s wrong. He wants a Destiny that is a story driven game like Mass Effect. And that will alienate most of the current player base. He also wants a third-person perspective story whet we passively watch the story. Not the first-person narrative that Bungie wants us to co-create with them. The story isn’t “bad”. It’s just not the story he wants...,and I believe that the game would be worse off if Bungie did what he wants. I enjoyed Mass Effect: Andromeda, but felt [i]zero[/i] urge to replay it once that 80 hour story was done.

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                    • I stopped filling bug a long time ago he’s just too full of himself he seems to think that he is the ultimate authority on the lore and it should all fit into his head canon destiny is not a story based game at its core it is just a shooter

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                    • The new writer, the woman who was fired from Marvel for childlike story telling, you know the one with the brother at Activision (cough cough), signed a 3yr contract and her first year was last year so the childlike storylines are going nowhere.

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                    • Streamers ruin games especially destiny! Gallihorn need I say more!

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                    • This dumbass mentality got you everything wrong with this game And here you guys are doing it again. No wonder those emotes are selling

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                      • Lmao. The fact that people still try to make content for this game is sad

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                      • This guy, unknowngamer, and a few others, are all basically getting rich off of regurgitating each others false information. They all spew this speculation as if it is 100% truth, and have been doing so since year 1 of Destiny 1. Not only do they speak with rocks in their mouths, (unknown gamer cannot even say his own name) but it annoys me how their presentation of facts, is just voice overs on a gameplay clip that they borrowed from other people. 9/10 they have nothing that is news, nothing that has a drop of truth. that 1/10 times, where they accidentally overlap the truth, is because Bungie gave them a nugget that they actually understood. If you subscribe to these people, good for you, you are a fan of Destiny, and these guys essentially give you another perspective. If you believe every word that they say, like the gospel, realize that you are getting bad info. When I predicted that the Cabal would attack Earth, and destroy the Tower, Back in 2014, I was speculating. My speculation was based on exactly what I learned from the game, how the species interacted with each other and us, and that lead me to the inevitable conclusion that coincidentally, is exactly how Destiny 2 started. You have to admit, it created an epic scenario of apocalypse, and the struggle of starting back into the world of Destiny 2, was set in a perfect timeline. Unfortunately, I cannot tell if Bungie simply stole my prediction, or if my prediction was so spot on, because Bungie had intended for the sequel to take the identical path I spelled out. So for me, when I see and hear these Youtubers, grasping for straws to make content to fund their Porsches, assume that I don't care if they succeed. It's one thing to ride the coat-tails of a successful video game... its another thing to trick it's fans into clicking on your video by telling them outright lies.

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                        • God I hate byf. Sounds like a pretentious d bag every time he opens his mouth

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                          • Bungie has made 'lore' irrelevant. This makes Byf, whose whole reason for being in Destiny IS lore, irrelevant. Bungie marginalized Byf and he knows it. Byf was all up in Bungie when it benefitted him, now he is angry. Not as much angry that the lore is 'gone', but angry that his bread and butter gig was marginalized.

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                          • Edited by ArmyKnight75: 5/27/2018 5:22:58 PM
                            He, along with other lazy ass streamers, don’t say anything new. It’s all been said already by the community. They only repeat ideas from others on a larger platform of self importance. These are the people who have done the most harm to this game.

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