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1/19/2017 10:47:58 PM
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Just thinking about Ice Breaker...

The good times I had in year one when this gun was at the peak of its performance were some of the best moments of my life on Destiny. It was great, being able do raids, strikes, and even crucible without having to deal with ammo problems, and knowing that I had such a powerful weapon at my disposal. I finally managed to get a year 3 version from my 14th Sunrise bounty. The feelings of destroying my enemies came back to me, something that doesn't show up much nowadays with the guns in-game. Even getting my Gjallarhorn back didn't feel this good. However, when I started to use it, it felt awful. Really slow, clunky in a way, and really lackluster. Only then did I remember that this gun had been nerfed during the Taken King, when they played around with the idea of starting Trials matches with no special ammo. That was the reign of Ice Breaker and Sidearms. (For all not aware, I believe this was after the April update, when max light was 335, and if you had max light everything else, you could use an Ice Breaker and still compete, even with res-snipes.) The nerfs did seem severe, and at this point, they have made this weapon feel less special, at least to me. It feels pathetic, and can't stand up to most legendary snipers, from both a PvP view and a PvE view. It kind of makes me upset. It even gets out-damaged by other snipers in PvE, unless they are from the 20/20 AMR7 archetype, and I've never seen anyone use a sniper of that archetype in PvE. Now for the point of the post. I'd like to be able to use this gun for boss encounters and not feel like I'm hindering my team's damage output, put out enough as if I was using a Gjallarhorn and a Triple Tap sniper. The thing that I'd like to see, which probably won't happen at any point soon, is the addition of Triple Tap into the Ice Breaker. Now, the main reason I see this being a fix is that it fires quickly, and regens extremely slowly, with you having to wait 7 whole seconds for one bullet. If this is supposed to be a boss killing gun like I use it, give it something to help. Triple Tap could help it deal more damage in the windows given during encounters, and it would help negate the effects of slow-regen bullets without destroying the PvP meta. This is just a thought going through my head as I re-level my hunter again. Any feedback would be appreciated, but let's keep it civil. Remember that this is for a videogame that I'd like to hope we all enjoy.
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  • It honestly doesn't have enough ammo. The Ice Breaker perk is also bad now. You'll be much better off with any legendary sniper with firefly, especially Devil's Dawn. And since High impact snipers are more popular in PvE right now it's even worse. I can't think of a situation where I'd use Ice Breaker because I always have ammo with a sniper. 17 shots > 6 and regen every 7 seconds.

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    • Its craps. Nobody uses it on tough activities when you have better options. Pre dawning "omg guys.. ice breaker is back!!21!2!!!!1" Post dawning "I got Gally, sleeper, sword and spindle. F*** the ice breaker"

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    • just get a Black Spindle IB with TT would be game breaking.

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      • Do you not understand this : The emphasis of the weapon is in its utility , as in not needing to ever pop a special synth or pick up special , just give around 30 seconds and you have 5 shots ready to shoot without reloading . Every exotic has a point of usage , just like black spindle is used for DPS if one can constantly hit crits.

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        • Honestly? I've used it loads and haven't noticed the reduced time. I know it's there, but I don't use it exclusively. If you use it for boss damage, you'll get 6/7 bullets out, after that you could switch to a machine gun and still make great progress. I ran a hard Vosik a while ago using Zhalo and a shotgun (for Captains), but the game was bugged and didn't drop special. I basically had to use Zhalo for the entire fight. Did I struggle for damage? Nah not really. I was second in the tally. It wasn't lack of damage that stopped us progressing, it was other folk staying alive that was the problem.

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        • Just think of all the fun you had with any exotic you had in yr 1 compared to now thank the crucibabies for making us weak and pathetic

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          • Now we just gotta waith for those 3 little words in the strike playlist. SOLAR BURN. SPECIALIST.

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            • the only real memorable memories i have about ice breaker are sitting back in the tunnel and sniping the gatekeeper in vault of glass, and sitting on top of the rock that looks down onto the plateau where all the enemies spawn during the archon priest strike and sniping everything out on solar burn because the hobgoblins could one shot you on solar burn nightfalls. other than that? never used it. my year one loadout was always fatebringer or hawkmoon, found verdict or sometimes LDR, and hunger of crota (never got a gjallarhorn). i rarely equipped ice breaker and probably have a pitiful kill count with it

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              • I miss that gun so badly every time I do the Archon Priest strike on Venus, it's not even funny. #he'snotmypresident

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                • Perhaps Y3 just needs a rename? [spoiler]Slush-squisher?[/spoiler]

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                  • TT is a good idea I like it ... It I would rather they just up the impact . If the impact was greater it could be used for bosses reliably .. also once the clip ended I have no qualms with draining some heavy too. And if there is time swap back and for a few more Shots.

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                    • Edited by Draco_Mantis: 1/21/2017 4:24:09 PM
                      You know what I would love to see to make it compete in pve again. Make it the only sniper in the game with 40 impact. That's it. Only change. Raises it's damage in pve above all other snipers while having the least amount of ammo. And for you pvp whiners make it so your left with litterally one health on hit with it. At 3/4 armor or higher.

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                      • I feel like making it able to pick up special ammo to give it 1-2 charges would be perfectly fine, considering special drops faster than ice breaker can regenerate usually. Increase its aim assist to 50 and decrease the zoom on the scope, its scope is already bad but the zoom is annoying. I like your triple tap idea, but I feel like it would have to replace something so very important to us...(looking at you light weight)

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                        • Keep in mind that the way people used Ice Breaker in year one isn't how ice breaker is intended to be used. It's not a boss killing weapon, and it wasn't intended to be used as a camping sort of weapon. Ice Breaker is intended to be used as a supplement to your primary weapon, to kill, say, a room full of knights quickly and then to be put away again. It has the highest magazine size of any sniper in the game and makes enemies explode on all kills. If that doesn't scream "add control sniper" then I don't know what does. Put the gun on, forget about it for a while, and then bring it out to be used in small bursts. Six shots, switch weapons, and wait for the ammo to regenerate while you use your primary.

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                        • I feel ya the last word was my go to not to mention my only exotic weapon for months once I started getting ither weapons I dropped it just recently have I picked it up an it just a shell of what it was i know some people can still use the hell out of it but to me its not where it was and it sucks how now that the matador is killing it in crucible an bungies reaction to it like "hey we know you guys are pissed at how we nerfed everything so after 2 yrs we are gonna finally not nerf it instead bring up other weapons to compete "wouldve been nice if that was the mindset from the beginning

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                        • That Nerf on the reload time killed it. With how they made special ammo drop during TTK, it's stupid to sit and wait almost a minute to fire one mag. This could all be fixed with allowing ice breaker to fill with special drops, but it will never happen.

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                        • It was nerfed back in july 2015, when 2.0 came out. Back then, there wasn't alot of options. You either had a gally or the icebreaker taking up your exotic slot, with the occasional thunderlord with arc-burn nightfalls. Okay, the nerf made somewhat a bit of sense. However now, you have 3 exotic swords, gally, sleeper.. it doesn't make much sense to keep the ammo regen at 8 seconds.

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                        • That's the exotic with my most kills :(

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                        • Ice breaker was my first exotic. It was wayyyyyy back in October of 2014 and it was Xur week 5. I was debating on saving my coins or buy ice breaker. I'm glad I did. It's still my fav exotic in the game, alongside vex mythoclast and jade rabbit.

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                        • Oh how I loved y1 icebreaker. When they nerfed it I didn't complain. It was the best OP sniper in the game. I've sadly yet to get the new 1 but have both the things to change its appearance. When I get it I shall play crucible again n enjoy camping n sniping with out having to go grab special ammo.

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                          • It didn't drop for me at all yr 1. I came on the last week Xur was offering it and couldn't get enough SC to buy it. I never experienced it in all it's glory. I have it now, and although it's good, it runs out of ammo too frequently. Needs a buff to ammo respawn in pve.

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                          • I know the feeling. Bungie is banking on the nostalgic feelings by bringing back yr1 weapons. They must've forgot that they nerfed everything to death. I was so excited when I got a Grim Citizen III the other day because I could finally run my first VoG setup. Grim Citizen 77 Wizard Truth It was a major let down. It really brought to the forefront how autorifles have taken a hit. Even with a good roll, Grim Citizen is dead.

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                            • There is no point to use ice bea in year3 most strikes/raids have you move around. During that movement you pick up almost always special on the way. We dont really need a sniper that can slowly chip down the health of a boss. Raid snipers/ black spindle (or devils dawn)out perform the icebreaker by a mile. With short damadge fases you cant really w8 for ammo. To fix this bring the time back to 6 or even 5 seconds and on respawn you will always have 1 bullet and increase the mag to 7bullets because bungie likes the number 7. Unnerf the handling.(just my opinion)

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                              • I didn't read the rest but I think it's fine seeing as when it regened bullets like crazy it was back when special wasn't a problem so it was fair, now they reduced special it makes sense for the icebreaker to be nerfed too

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                                • Bungee is incompetent, they didn't even plan for pve and pvp to need different balancing. They can't separate pve and pvp because they suck at their job.

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                                  • Agreed. The year 3 version pales in comparison to the original.

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