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Edited by Dime:
10/18/2016 11:18:37 PM
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Why did you change the archetype of the Hopscotch Pilgrim?
EDIT: I am now aware that the "archetype" that I was imagining was just a nirwens mercy style archetype with higher impact. I had always though that the rate of fire was slower, so my mistake. If you are about to reply something along the lines of "it was a slow rate of fire pulse rifle but had higher impact than the general archetypes", just don't waste your time as I already have gotten the message.
When I had found out that the Hopscotch was making a return on the release of RoI, I was absolutely pumped. I had never gotten the chance to get it myself back in Year 1, and I had wanted one since then. Now that I have it, it's essentially not even the same gun anymore. Why? Because it could 2-burst low armor targets? But the downside was its extremely slow rate of fire, so that was a fair trade off. Again: why bring back a weapon as well known as the Hopscotch for its unique archetype, but then change the archetype? I want to be able to feel the satisfaction of managing to two burst, but get my assed kicked if I miss a burst. Spare Change is just a shamefully bad pulse rifle if you don't have counterbalance, and it doesn't drop in RoI's crucible anyways so I don't consider that a good alternative.
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10 RepliesThey nerfed it because, It was high impact and could roll with maxed stability. At the time, mine had Counter balance and reactive reload and yes... If you proc RR you could just about 1 burst low armor people.. 3 crits and 2 body... Old school Hopscotch said "-blam!- you Thorn! -blam!- you Last Word! -blam!- you Messenger, and -blam!- everything else! Except Red Death.. you my BFF."
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2 RepliesEdited by Dahm: 10/18/2016 11:08:59 PMHas the blue on my Titan made a comeback yet? Evergreen Same archtype as spare change/messenger but it's a blue
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8 RepliesI just wonder what it is like for those guardians that literally grinded 500 or more strikes for a chance at this weapon only to get it (if they were lucky), then have it changed from it's original form to something less lethal.
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6 RepliesIt was a blessing in disguise along with Red Death's change. 30 Impact Pulse Rifles let alone being the worst Pulse Rifle archetypes, are currently the worst Primary archetype in the game!
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2 RepliesIt did 38 per headshot. It would two burst everything. - Der
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4 RepliesIt was bugged t had the rof of a Red death and the impact of a messenger
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[i]...a casual loop within the weapon's mechanism, suggestion that the firing process somehow binds space and time into a...[/i]
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6 RepliesI miss my Three Little Words!
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1 ReplySo many people thinking the HP's archetype was different from Red Death and/or the Messenger haha All 3 shared the same archetype, low RoF high impact
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2 RepliesI see your edit. Glad you figured it out. I still have my godly Hopscotch from year 1. Was prob one of my favorite guns. Still is. But for the life of me, I CANNOT get a SINGLE one to drop from crucible. I see everyone else get one...but not me. Same for the Matador. Everyone their dog and their mom has one. But I haven't had a single one drop :'( the salty tears are real.
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27 RepliesThere were three Pulse Rifles in that archetype. The Messenger, the Spare Change.25 and the Hopscotch Pilgrim. Only one of them got nerfed. What it came down to was that the year one Hopscotch Pilgrim came from a PvE activity and only PvP tryhards can have the best weapons.
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It's still a good gun if you ask me. A solid alternative to the spray of the hawksaw archetype
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12 RepliesArchetype didn't change it was nerfed
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The weapon was great, but was nerfd for doing its job well. It suffered the fate of every weapon in this game guilty of efficiency. Destiny leads the race of First Person Shooters where Shooting a Person is bad and you dare not Shoot a Person with a good gun! How dare you!
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4 RepliesWhy am I the only one that remembers this? Hopscotch did not change archetype, they nerfed the impact only, no change to rof. It had the fire rate of red death/strangers rifle, but with the impact of the messenger or the spare change, it broke the pulse rifle archetypes. This is why hopscotch is one of the only legendaries that has had a specific nerf just for that gun as opposed to a blanket nerf to an entire archetype.
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4 RepliesThey didn't change its type, it still fires just as fast/slow as it always has. What they did was nerf pulse rifles so they couldn't two tap anymore.
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5 RepliesEdited by GrandStyles: 10/19/2016 5:59:47 AM2 burst pulse is cancer. The only fast TTK bungie likes is TLW
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1 ReplyEdited by xGRAWREAPERx: 10/18/2016 10:29:12 PMDude im sorry i feel ya But the fact is, there are to many kinderguardians (age has nothing 2 do with this word before i get attacked by the kids).... They are like ragequiters but in a different vieuw: [i]"I keep getting killed by the guy with the thorn! That son of a b****" [/i] Goes to the forum: [i]"Those thorns need a nerf bungie"[/i] Sits behind his console again: [i]"For f**ks sake! These snipers are annoying, i keep getting killed"[/i] Goes to the forum: [i]"Hey bungie you need to change them snipers man, i keep getting killed man, im loosing it the impact of the sniper nearly penetrated my butthole mannnn..."[/i] Meanwhile in another city another place: [i]"Man those thorns are annoying....let me snipe em.....yeah take that you thorn loser!" O...oooo...you wanna go sniping? Oke closer quarters now....im riding shottgun!" [/i] You see....(presidential stop)for every questioning gun there's an answering counterpart, but kinderguardians cant see that and are always the first to b***h about it on a forum like this....(presidential stop) now what bungie needs to do is stop focusing on these kinderguardians ......(presidential stop)and start focusing on real matters like the legendary marks/glimmer caps, the storyline, the baboon/bumblebee etc stuff, (THE FRIGGIN ENGRAM PROBLEM),the connection problems in crucible STILL SEEING RED BARS EVERY GAME sliding guardians on ice serving impossible bullets, where the hell are the "new factions"? I can go on and on, its a hell of a game dont get me wrong it replaced halo for me but these kinderguardians are always problem no. 1 to these kinds of questions! [spoiler]Vote TwIIce for president 2016! The vanguard party[/spoiler]
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The nerfed it because it was too op when rolled with reactive reload. You could 2 burst anyone without headshots and chain more kills with feeding frenzy/ outlaw. Now that that they changed the archetype, it's only able to 2 burst someone with headshots only as a Med impact PR with reactive reload.
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8 RepliesI guess, they did it back then, because too many trials crybabies were upset about a "regular" strike weapon being better than their precious Messenger...
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For a while, after this gun was originally neutered, "the Hopscotch Treatment" was a common phrase used when talking about weapon nerfs
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1 ReplyIf they didn't change it, it would suck even more than it does now. Atm, it's the second worst archetype, but it would've been the worst if they didn't change it. I got one in year 1, and it was a beast, but after the pulse rifle blanket nerf, it just blows. The only good pulses are the hawksaw and grasp archetype. Why are you even using the hopscotch.
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This is a good thing. If they kept it a 2 shot, it would be the only gun used in the crucible.
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3 RepliesEdited by Angel_Soren: 10/18/2016 7:23:25 PMDude you've been gone Destiny for too long. The two-shot archetype is dead, in fact it's the worst Pulse Rifle archetype because they can't two-shot anymore and still has a low rate of fire. If you ask me giving Hopscotch more rate of fire is a blessing. If it still had the same rate of fire but lost the ability to two-shot it wouldn't have any use. The current best archetype is the 4 shot super high rate of fire pulse now. Since they can also three shot if you nail headshots but if you miss the high rate of fire is much more forgiving and makes it easy to recover from missed shots.
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No gun will EVER match the HoW era Hopscotch. Not Thorn, or last Word. This was the best gun I have used in any video game for a long time. You could 2 burst NO PROBLEM and you were able to miss a few shots
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It used to be red death archtype right?
