I got severe hate from a team in skirmish last week cause they were busy using the sniping lane on memento against my 2 team mates and I was running in and out of cover shotgunning them and messing things up for them. Likewise I've taken stick for getting repeated head shot snipes on other maps too. You need to practice with each and certain maps will favor certain play styles and you've got to adapt. I don't think one is better than the other but both should be used based on the situation and in conjunction with one another.

does fusion riffles not get an honorable mention

NERF SNIPERS NOW PLEASE BUNGIE

Wanna know some people's biggest issues with sniping? They just can't handle trying to counter snipe a good counter sniper can eliminate even a nest of people using 1k stare or longbow While they are hard scoping.

does this argument even matter anymore at this point? people are still gonna be getting Blink Shotgun'd and 2 shot sniped or AA sniped in pvp regardless of who nerfs what. Then some new meta will come along for the casuals to complain and whine about that'll soften the hearts of Bungie and make them release another nerf on it. Rinse and repeat. Hardcore Bungie/Halo fans were the ones that were the foundation of Year 1 imo. Now... we have all these new players, casuals, manchilds, noobs, squeakers who protest what they don't like and end up getting their way. So in conclusion, don't waste your time by debating anything in this game unless it's something game changing because at the end of the day.. like most veteran developers say, "we're looking to cater to a new/larger audience"................. aka casuals & kids. Either way, consistent pvp'rs like me are still gonna find a way to destroy the peasant tier of players in pvp regardless sooooo.... yeah.

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I agree with both points here, but just to elaborate the reason anti snipers became more common after 2.0 is because primaries no longer had the ability to punish a sniper that misses. The reason people want snipers nerfed is what you just said. They are more forgiving than any other special slot

Liked it until the cancer reference. The use of such hyperbolic words such as cancer, toxic, aids, salty etc are all detrimental to debate, designed to stifle opinion and marginalize those who disagree with you.

From what I remember The whole shotgun thing started up as they nerfed auto rifles. Bungie based the decision to ban auto rifles entirely on usage statistics, and at the time the only maps available were short-mid range kind of maps so of course auto rifles would be the most used. Nerfing auto rifles crippled mid-short range meta, and meant that in comparison the shotgun that was meant to compliment this meta become the only part of it that really mattered. So Bungie started nerfing shotguns, and auto rifles. They effectively trashed short-mid range game

Both are easy shot gunning a little easier. Both equally fun imo.

Hmm I actually have a post for this comparing secondarys in the game and why snipers by there current set up win in all regards. The main reason to this is they are a medium skill weapon with a high payoff with little risk involved from other weapons that are not it's type. So very true though on all your points. Really good post. Snipers do in fact take skill. The guys who are good with them down right exploit and break the weapon in terms of the way they are soppose to be used. (And by the number who do it) it's not that hard, just takes some time and practice. I will add my comparison below. It is just my exspirance over all with the time iv played. [spoiler]here ya go. This is my reply to someone else comparing the strength of secondarys. Needless to say they didn't reply. wall of text sorry Basically this is all too common and easy to do. Snipers don't feal like snipers, as bungie said they feal like your using a battle rifle, even more so to a scout that can 1 Shot kill. The nerfs to range didn't actually change anything and the ammo nerf was just stupid. The problem is not even the sniper rifles, it's the way people use them because they are simply the most effective weapons in the game. They out class every other gun. With a high cost pricision weapon you can miss 3 shots and still get the kill with a 1 second exposure on the guy. They are the only weapons in the game besides a sleeper simulant that can actually 1 shot a super. Now let's compare secondarys, shotguns have little to no range, at 3-5 feet of distance, you still have to double tap half the time. They have limited amo, risky as engaging more then 1 person is almost 100% gerented, requires subpurb map knoledge to close distances. High impact is nice and powerful but has a heavy and slow draw rate, slow fire rate, slow reloud rate as a trade off. Low impact has medium states in all above spots but almost always requires a doble shot. Can't 1 shot a super, doble taping with a mela for low impact, 1 shot mela for high impact, risky to challenge supers. Side arms have a huge damage falloff and have a effective range of about 1-10 feet, can't challenge a super, most side arms will trade with last word but last word has better range. Good amo and reloud with decent mag size. Godly in shotgun range if the enemy is under equipped for engagement field. Fusions are suppose to be the longer ranged weapons over shotguns, that being said they are the only guns in the game with a charge rate, projectile bullets meaning you have to actually track your enemys with them, and they don't kill in 1 shot half the time in there own range arckitype. Fusion mela is required to kill supers, even more dangerous then shotgun mela due to charge time. Medium reloud, hard to use, low payoff, probably highest skill level for secondarys. Lasty because of the charge time doble shotting isn't normally possible and will result in a instant death if it fails. 1 such example I have is hitting someone with a direct hit from a vacancy. They are reduced to a sliver of health but the long charge rate results in your death. Then we come to snipers, large and wonky size they are easy to store and have faster draw times then a shotgun dose in average. Range verys mostly it's map range. Light levels in pvp has no effect on effectiveness even with light level turned on. high impact snipers can res snipe, they can also 1 shot snipe supers from safe distances (the only thing that is not a super or heavy that can do this), the flinch only sometimes stops the sniper from killing there targets, a primary at long to mid range should lose 100% of the time. They can hold down short distances of 5-10 feet (shotgun/fusion rifle ranges) with ease. Almost impossible to counter at range with anything but a sniper. Fast fire rate similar to a fast fire rate scout (slowest/ spindal similar to a low rate if fire scout) high impact snipers have fast fire rates, high aim assist makes drag scoping easier. (Examples are LDR 5001, Long bow synthisis, 1k stare) Reloud spead is relitivly fast and cancel reload (not needed really but still a thing). Can win a fight aginsted a lmg even when being hit by said lmg. Lastly long range scopes/ sights are bad, anything that makes the weapon perform like a sniper rifle is considered useless in snipers. Drawbacks are shooting at close range is harder then at distance.[/spoiler]