it does. xur will never sell it again

Selling Gjallarhorn won't break the game, it will create the pathway to fixing the game. Everyone has to admit, that single weapon fires twice and takes out a raid boss' shield. No weapon should be able to do that. It also shouldn't be the defining weapon for whether or not you get into a raid or not. If it is sold and everyone acquires one, Bungie will have to admit it is too overpowered, and they will either increase difficulty to compensate, or will nerf the gun. It won't be sold though. At least not for a long time. While Bungie is still able to use it as a carrot on their stick, they won't give it up. When the playerbase drops too low or they feel they need to finally release for some other reason, they will. Xûr is not random. Gjallarhorn will fix the game, but it will not be sold.

Many of the people who are going to argue with you on this are going to be Gjallarhorn owners who don't want others to have what they think they are so special for having it. They flat out don't want others to have it. It will not break the game. We all payed the same money for the same content. Xur needs to sell it to help the people who are getting screwed by the RNG. And for those who get on here and say they do not have it and still don't want it to be sold and actually do have it, stop lying so Bungie thinks the non - owners could care less.

For me it would be a game breaker as it's the last thing I want and it keeps me playing. Alas, I just wouldn't be able to resist the temptation if Xur brought it and that big gold carrot with wolves on it wouldn't be there to drag me back week after week. Gameplay-wise, the argument that it would break the game is nonsense. I've done all the raids and missions countless times and want to get them done nice and quick each week. Having new weapons just makes it more fun to see how fast you can do them now.

Gjally is that one gun your gonna have to find yourself just deal with it its better this way

I wanted to pick up the mida from xur last week but I didn't have enough coins and didn't feel like trying to do the level 30 strike with my two other characters that are only 28/29 with incomplete gear. If it was something better I probably could gave gotten the coins, but unlike people who have 3 32s and run raids 200 times a week, do the weeklys with every character and have nothing but time on their hands, I am poor in coins and even lack enough shards to upgrade my ib hmg right now. I only have enough time outside of work and other responsibilities to work on bounties and maybe a nightfall/strike on a single character during a given week, which means limited resources to buy and upgrade.

I love this post. I already have the g-horn, but I got it through pure luck and think xur should sell it again. It makes gameplay a lot easier.

First I should make it clear I do not own a Gally. Personally I think it should be sold again solely because I feel it is actually having a derogatory effect on the game and the community. With any mmo style game I feel the community associated with it plays a major part in its success. As soon as any item starts causing segregation and in extreme case's bullying and harassment it can't be good. Regardless of what that item is.

It will break it. But don't worry I just got my 3rd one on Crota. Be jelly

Let's pretend we live in a world where it's ok for everyone to have the same stuff. Oh wait, we do.

A fool will remain a fool no matter the tool. I agree with everything in this post. But gally + ruin wings make for alot of fun tho ><

I just got mine. And after playing with it, I have to say that having gjallarhorn does not make you a better player. It reduces kill times only when you have heavy ammo. And it takes up an exotic slot. People think this gun is a lot better than it is.

Xur isn't going to sell it again so why does it matter?

You didn't cover the facts that one, using this weapon is not how the development team wants you to play. As clearly seen in updates and what not since launch, using strategies that aren't in the "approved" method get changed. For example, Atheon's teleportation. Used to send the 3 farthest guardians, now it's randomized. They didn't like the fact that you knew who was going to be ported. Secondly, the damage output is better than every other rocket launcher. Now this would incorporate this into gameplay. Since we wouldn't be performing as they want, they work either decrease damage, which would make it worthless, or it would become a required piece of any load simply because they have changed either defensive capabilities of bosses, or increase health to counter act the the team increased damage. I for one, would prefer to use want I want when I want. I don't want to be pigeon holes into basically the same load out as everyone else because there isn't a choice. We've seen this already with AR nerfs, everyone is using it so we nerfed it to get players to use different weapons. Thirdly, a majority of players who continue to play are grinding for their chance at this weapon. By handing it out, a lot players would basically have nothing further to do until new content arrives. Grinding for their last exotic items is what is keeping a lot a players around. No examples are necessary, just look at the forums. Fourth and finally, you forgot that this is a "cash cow" for Activision/bungie. If they do decide to sell the Gjallerhorn at Xur it will follow this reasoning: The player base is in a steady decline as HoW approaches. In order to spike the player base back to day one numbers, they will have to put the proverbial carrot on the stick. What better way to entice players to return than to sell the most sought after weapon in the game. By releasing it a week or two prior to HoW, the returning players will come in droves. This in turn will help secure more DLC content to be sold, because everyone will play with their new weapon on the new content. Now they might not at all since a vast majority have already purchased HoW with the season. So this concept could be correlated to the development of Comet. In all actuality, the later is more likely. Selling Gjallerhorn prior to the release of comet would ensure maximum profitability, as everyone would want to continue to play with this in new content. TL:DR version: The only way they would consider selling is if it profitable idea to ensure large number of Comet/HoW DLC content is sold. This has always been about the money, and will continue to be about the money. Your argument must include this in its reasoning, or your point isn't valid. Your entire argument/post is the same idea repeated. You've actually provided no evidence to the contrary. Stating that it speeds up completion times does not make an argument, but vaguely pointing out the obvious. Edit - if your going to form an argument, please use logic and not speculation. I've cited examples for each of my points. All in all this is all speculation on everyone's part, but specific examples will help convey your counter-point.

Bungie if you are listening! Itd be nice to get that Gally to drop 4 me! My only wish! I have grinded so hard and i still dont have the pos hunger of crota from crota raid! I have every other weapon from crota but a tracking rocket launcher whats up with that?

[quote]I have seen the argument that "if everyone has gally then it will break the game" so many times now that I decided to write this counter argument. (if you read my wall of text, I salute you!). I will start with this question: [b]What makes people think that if it was sold (again) "everyone would buy it"?[/b] Sure I concede a LOT of people would buy it especially those who have been playing since day one and are still to get lucky with a drop. However that said not everyone has 3 high level characters some people only have one and so whilst coins are easily obtained for some of us it isn't the case for "everyone". As a result not "everyone" will be able to afford it. Just because you have 300 coins it isn't the same for everyone. I have seen several posts this week about people struggling to get enough coins for Ice Breaker. So for a start if gally was sold, for instance, THIS coming Friday it would be difficult for at least some people to get the coins a second week in a row especially if they already splashed out on Ice Breaker or multiple Ice Breakers this week. Further more, just like when gally was first sold there will be a section of new players (especially after xmas) that still are not aware of the power of it. Not everyone visits the forum (only a very small percentage of the actual player base) and many people play solo and don't interact with others so there will definitely be a percentage of players who won't purchase it due to lack of awareness. Then on top of that you will have another percentage of people who "just don"t like rocket launchers" who won't buy it. And another section who will think, as some of us did when it was first sold, "why would I use an exotic in the heavy slot?". Even from those that know it is good there will be some that love another exotic so much that they always run with that and will think it is a waste of coins. Then you have to consider the rest of Xur's inventory at the time that gally is (sold for the 2nd time), some people might have a hard decision (just like some did this week between obsidian mind and IB, there were multiple posts about this on the forum). What if Xur was selling Gally and Heart of the paraxic fire? Some people will only have coins for one or the other again reducing gally sales. Now you could argue that some of these are small percentages but they all add up when you think of all the possible contributing factors. My conclusion? Even if Xur sold gally a second time there is no way that "everyone" would obtain it. [b]Moving on to my second point, even if a large percentage of the player base DID purchase gally what realistically is it going to break?[/b] [b]Seriously, STOP and think about it.[/b] Think about what gally is actually good for, its good for boss damage right? [b]Ok so where are bosses found in destiny?[/b] 1.) Strikes - Ok so if you have a fire team with 3 gallys in it and you can kill the boss fast, so what? So we can run a few more strikes per hour but that's it. Strikes don't drop raid gear and you still have to sink time into getting to the boss. [b]I don't see how this would break the game.[/b] 2.) Nightfall - same as above no raid gear and you still have to get to the boss. Ok so maybe you can more efficiently kill yellow mobs but really if you are packing the right set of burn weapons unless it is a solar week I can't see gally making any major difference. [b]I don't see how this would break the game.[/b] P.S. Nightfall rewards are not what they were anyway with all the shards and coins. 3.) Weekly - same as the other arguments with the addition that rewards are rarely anything other than coins. [b]Again shaving a few minutes off a weekly is not game breaking.[/b] 4.) VoG - Ok so this is the only major difference I can see. VoG runs could be speeded up somewhat if everyone in the team had a gally (as shown in that now famous video that every tom, dick and harry seems to like to reference.) However the majority of VoG gear with the exception of the Mythocast is either obsolete or on its way out. [b]So even if people could rush the raid I don't see how it would be game breaking.[/b] All you are doing is saving "some time" here and there with any of the above activities. 5.) Crota Raid - Crota can only be damaged with the sword, ok he can be put in his Kneel state quicker with gally, and that is the only advantage I can see here. There are still multiple cheeses (even after the patch) in the normal raid that can be exploited by one or 2 people that allow more advancement than should be possible either solo or in a small team than if everyone was packing a gally. [b]In comparison those cheeses have helped more people artificially or at least much more quickly achieve the highest rank than selling gally ever will.[/b] Finally I would like to say that even if a lot of people brought gally it doesn't mean they will have one on every character or always have it equipped. Sure you would see an increase for a while as always when Xur sells a new toy but people get bored and like to switch things up a bit. I really can't see how selling gally will "break the game". The only possible negative action I can think of coming out of Xur selling gally would be an increase in elitist raid groups discriminating against picking people who don't have it. As they would now expect you to have brought it. I have tried to be precise in my argument but I am sure "someone" will pick holes and twist words as they always do on this forum... *rolleyes* and if you want to do that then go ahead, but I will only be replying to well reasoned counter arguments from people who have actually read my post. Have at it! I am ready to "git good scrub"... *sigh* Peace. [b]TL/DR[/b] For those posting TL/DR, it isn't possible to shorten this post. It is a detailed counter argument to all the posts claiming if Xur sells Ghorn it will break the game. The post is long because it needs to be to get the points across for the counter argument. I know it's long so you don't need to comment TL/DR. [b]Alternative TL/DR This guy says it much better in less words :)[/b] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/105916664/0/0/1 [b]I have a gally btw so this isn't a whine about not having it :) [/b][/quote] If they would sell the Ghorn again. They should sell it for 50 Strange coins, that would limit the number of people purchasing the Ghorn. It wouldn't brake the game. Not allot of guardians have that many stored up anyways. For all those who don't have a Ghorn, it would be a great addition to any exotic collection.

It would be broken.... because the most valuable weapon that everyone strives for, 90% of destiny players would have it and it would be as valuable as no land beyond but with better damage output. Plus on the other hand i do enjoy noobs blowing themselfs up with rockets haha. Idrc if xur sells it that would mean no more scrubby Hoc while taking down crota.

I am clapping audibly for your absolute intelligence. Before I add to your argument, I will say I may be biased because I don't have one, and - from the point of a view of a person who seems to have terrible RNG with what he wants to drop and what he gets - the line between those who have it and don't is pretty damn bold. Not only are you more likely to get a Crota group success on hard mode with one - and it's highly dependent on it for the ogres and making Crota himself kneel - it makes it extremely easy to protect yourself from the enemies when you CAN'T HEAL. Thus, you need a strong weapon. You need a Gjallarhorn. Do you know how many people I've seen in strikes and such with one? They're like candy already. You can't join one strike without some dude drawing that big, old, wolf-adorned rocket-pack from his back and yelling "DIE, HORRENDOUS BEAST," while jumping at it and feeling like a - wait for it - a BADASS. Which was what this game was meant to convey. For normal enemies, sure, a regular primary exotic works. The Last Word, MIDA, Thorn, hell even the Vex mythoclast. They're good. They're balanced. They feel good in the hands. They offer differentials in play style. But bosses have an enormous health pool. I've had to sit there with a black hammer and pound on them for about ten minutes with nothing but precision shots - which is extremely gratifying - but also extremely boring unless I add music or something to it to simulate the experience. For the curious, I suggest playing "Bang Your Head" from Quiet Riot, and then shooting the Arkon Priest or Phogoth repeatedly. Hilarity ensues. But I digress. Your argument is exactly right. Besides, if selling one weapon breaks the game, what does that say about the weapon itself? Are you openly voting for a hierarchy of those with one and those without? You have crafted a weapon that is only special because of how it's used, but that argument could be used for ANY exotic in this game. Hell, even the Crota legendaries are overpowered. Black-Hammer is a prime example. I love that thing. So I sit here, with my terrible RNG, watching my friends firing Gally rockets in succession and beating bosses and all I can do is count my coins, fight bosses, and wait until the day either RNGesus smiles favorably on me or Xur finally sells the damn thing. From a hopeful Destiny Hunter with a love for explosions and knives.

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