It will break the game

Problem is, it is one of the few 'cock-teasing' elements left in the otherwise repetitive grind of a game. It's that fact that keeps people playing. Don't get me wrong I want it and would buy it, don't think it would 'break' the game at all. But you find many people once they have it will think, "well, now what?" And that's it.... Then what???

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[quote]I have seen the argument that "if everyone has gally then it will break the game" so many times now that I decided to write this counter argument. (if you read my wall of text, I salute you!). I will start with this question: [b]What makes people think that if it was sold (again) "everyone would buy it"?[/b] Sure I concede a LOT of people would buy it especially those who have been playing since day one and are still to get lucky with a drop. However that said not everyone has 3 high level characters some people only have one and so whilst coins are easily obtained for some of us it isn't the case for "everyone". As a result not "everyone" will be able to afford it. Just because you have 300 coins it isn't the same for everyone. I have seen several posts this week about people struggling to get enough coins for Ice Breaker. So for a start if gally was sold, for instance, THIS coming Friday it would be difficult for at least some people to get the coins a second week in a row especially if they already splashed out on Ice Breaker or multiple Ice Breakers this week. Further more, just like when gally was first sold there will be a section of new players (especially after xmas) that still are not aware of the power of it. Not everyone visits the forum (only a very small percentage of the actual player base) and many people play solo and don't interact with others so there will definitely be a percentage of players who won't purchase it due to lack of awareness. Then on top of that you will have another percentage of people who "just don"t like rocket launchers" who won't buy it. And another section who will think, as some of us did when it was first sold, "why would I use an exotic in the heavy slot?". Even from those that know it is good there will be some that love another exotic so much that they always run with that and will think it is a waste of coins. Then you have to consider the rest of Xur's inventory at the time that gally is (sold for the 2nd time), some people might have a hard decision (just like some did this week between obsidian mind and IB, there were multiple posts about this on the forum). What if Xur was selling Gally and Heart of the paraxic fire? Some people will only have coins for one or the other again reducing gally sales. Now you could argue that some of these are small percentages but they all add up when you think of all the possible contributing factors. My conclusion? Even if Xur sold gally a second time there is no way that "everyone" would obtain it. [b]Moving on to my second point, even if a large percentage of the player base DID purchase gally what realistically is it going to break?[/b] [b]Seriously, STOP and think about it.[/b] Think about what gally is actually good for, its good for boss damage right? [b]Ok so where are bosses found in destiny?[/b] 1.) Strikes - Ok so if you have a fire team with 3 gallys in it and you can kill the boss fast, so what? So we can run a few more strikes per hour but that's it. Strikes don't drop raid gear and you still have to sink time into getting to the boss. [b]I don't see how this would break the game.[/b] 2.) Nightfall - same as above no raid gear and you still have to get to the boss. Ok so maybe you can more efficiently kill yellow mobs but really if you are packing the right set of burn weapons unless it is a solar week I can't see gally making any major difference. [b]I don't see how this would break the game.[/b] P.S. Nightfall rewards are not what they were anyway with all the shards and coins. 3.) Weekly - same as the other arguments with the addition that rewards are rarely anything other than coins. [b]Again shaving a few minutes off a weekly is not game breaking.[/b] 4.) VoG - Ok so this is the only major difference I can see. VoG runs could be speeded up somewhat if everyone in the team had a gally (as shown in that now famous video that every tom, dick and harry seems to like to reference.) However the majority of VoG gear with the exception of the Mythocast is either obsolete or on its way out. [b]So even if people could rush the raid I don't see how it would be game breaking.[/b] All you are doing is saving "some time" here and there with any of the above activities. 5.) Crota Raid - Crota can only be damaged with the sword, ok he can be put in his Kneel state quicker with gally, and that is the only advantage I can see here. There are still multiple cheeses (even after the patch) in the normal raid that can be exploited by one or 2 people that allow more advancement than should be possible either solo or in a small team than if everyone was packing a gally. [b]In comparison those cheeses have helped more people artificially or at least much more quickly achieve the highest rank than selling gally ever will.[/b] Finally I would like to say that even if a lot of people brought gally it doesn't mean they will have one on every character or always have it equipped. Sure you would see an increase for a while as always when Xur sells a new toy but people get bored and like to switch things up a bit. I really can't see how selling gally will "break the game". The only possible negative action I can think of coming out of Xur selling gally would be an increase in elitist raid groups discriminating against picking people who don't have it. As they would now expect you to have brought it. I have tried to be precise in my argument but I am sure "someone" will pick holes and twist words as they always do on this forum... *rolleyes* and if you want to do that then go ahead, but I will only be replying to well reasoned counter arguments from people who have actually read my post. Have at it! I am ready to "git good scrub"... *sigh* Peace. [b]TL/DR[/b] For those posting TL/DR, it isn't possible to shorten this post. It is a detailed counter argument to all the posts claiming if Xur sells Ghorn it will break the game. The post is long because it needs to be to get the points across for the counter argument. I know it's long so you don't need to comment TL/DR. [b]Alternative TL/DR This guy says it much better in less words :)[/b] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/105916664/0/0/1 [b]I have a gally btw so this isn't a whine about not having it :) [/b][/quote] Thumbs up, thank you for this.

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I don't have it 600+ hours in. I've kind of given up waiting for it. I think I'd rather get suros or thunder lord at this point.

i think its really annoying when people say, "oh you have to wait till you earn it," like seriously what does that mean. you have people who are getting to level 23 for the first time who get one, and you have people playing since day one who have multiple high level characters with hundreds of hours played who dont have one. you cant earn a gjallarhorn at all, you can try and do your raids and nightfalls but nothing is guaranteed. i personally dont have one and honestly i wouldnt mind if it was sold or not, but if it was it wouldnt break the game. people said if xur sold icebreaker it would break the game, but xur has sold it three times and the game is the same. also not many people have an icebreaker still and that proves what this topic was about that even if it was sold not many people would get it.

You have a gjally right? I want you to do me a favor. Go into a roc strike (besides Cerberus Vae), and when you get to the boss area, do the heavy ammo glitch. This will simulate that every person has a gjally with max ammo. That way, when the strike boss appears after clearing all the adds with the heavy glitch, watch how fast it dies. I took out Archon Priest in under 30 seconds. The only one who took any amount of real time was valus and phogoth took slightly longer than the rest. But Valus has too much health. But just simulate this, and you tell me that this should be sold. That's what people mean when it would, "break the game"