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12/3/2014 9:18:22 PM
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DeeJ

Thoughts and Opinions about The Dark Below weapon upgrade paths.

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  • Well I am glad I have not bought the expansion pack. Good job bungie way to alienate your core base of players. Dragon age here I come.

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  • The 302 attack rating takes some of the sting from the re-leveling slog, but I am still not happy about this.

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  • I am happy about all the updates you guys do and looking forward to this dlc. I just do not feel like it's fair that all the time I put into my exotics are for nothing? I think alot more people will be happy if you instead added a extra power slot to there current maxed out weapons to make even with the new exotics. People wouldn't feel like there time was for nothing.

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  • Modificato da OWNC2K14: 12/4/2014 8:52:16 PM
    My only issue is that someone with 0 experience on an exotic can upgrade it to have 302 (or whatever) attack. While I (and many others) have played the game since the start levelling our guns from 260 - 274 - 283 -293 - 300 and would be happy to do whatever you wanted in order to get to 302-310-320 (or whatever the ratings are) It seems both unfair and not very logical. What happens if I find a Suros in the next few weeks (I never got this exotic) I see no reason for me to level the item as you think you would, I would rather just leave it in my vault and wait for Xur then go straight to 302. I know you are trying to appeal to 'new' and casual players by offering them ways to level up quickly but seriously it is both disrespectful to your existing players and also just bad mechanics. It could be fixed so simply - Make the upgrades only available once you have a weapon at 300 attack. And for the record I am a casual gamer - Destiny is the only game I play (my Ps4 was collecting dust) I really love the game but with the current exotic system I feel like my time playing has just been a waste (apart from the raid and weeklies). I compare what you are doing to these scenarios. Even as much as working your way up to a certain position in a company and feeling really proud when you get there. The bosses son starts the next day and instantly gets promoted to your level. Instantly you feel like the company disregards the time and effort and loyalty you have shown to work your way up and it feels like shit - sometimes enough to quit the company. People waiting outside a Nike store for their favourite pair of Jordans to be released. There are some people in line that have been Jordan fans and have waited outside the shop (camping out) for every new release for the last few years. But because Jordan want to appeal to new people, the people without Jordans can skip the line that the original customers have been waiting in and get the same pair of shoes.

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    • Modificato da CombatFIFChuck: 12/5/2014 4:24:54 PM
      Bungie, you could cull 98% of the frustration over this by having xur or the gunsmith sell an upgrade item that can be applied to any exotic weapons/armor or raid weapon that resets the last 4 damage nodes but once they are full again the item will be brought up to the new damage/armor level. We aren't asking for all the best gear to be handed out, we are asking for our progress to not be reset (fully or partially). And by having xur have a limited selection of exotics to upgrade each week, you are just begging to have the forums clogged up each weekend from those who did not have their favorite exotic appear again. The other annoying part about upgrading weapons is that the raid gives no XP, why not?

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      • Modificato da GeneralAgonyTTV: 12/6/2014 2:37:08 AM
        A player should never be asked to grind out levels for a piece of gear more than once. Charge us to add damage and defense rating to our pre dark below gear but do not reset the levels already gained.

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      • Appreciate the time invested by your players. We don't like the thought of weapons or armor being reset at the beginning of each DLC.

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        • I could repeat what I've said elsewhere, but I'd rather just point you to the front page of[url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Topics/0/3/0/feedback] #feedback[/url]. Notice the majority opinion? There's your feedback.

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        • How much faster exactly do these new exotics level up? Give us a number If its below 33% it will just be annoying. If we have a max exotic and have to buy a new one to relevel to the new max, wouldnt it be fair to make it quick as a legendary? Or add an extra node in to our maxed exotics that require 2 shards to fully max to the new damage cap. Seems fairer this way instead of having people spend time they've already spent to relevel something they've already leveled....

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        • Literally see no problem with it. It makes sense. Want a stronger version of your favorite exotic? Invest in it and upgrade it again to obtain that extra damage/defense. You shouldn't get a stronger version just by simply going to a vendor and buying it/trading it in already fully upgraded. You want it, you work for it. Too many kids in this game want everything spoonfed to them. You guys are doing right.

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          • DEEJ, next time you you make a topic like this, make it into a poll. then you will truly see some feedback unless you dont actually want feedback?

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            • only thing i can say is it doesnt seem fair to people that fully upgreaded stuff vs brand new stuff, i just got thorn (finely) and it doesnt seem right that i can trade it in for a new better one while all my friends have had the one they got for a long time and have it fully upgreaded. all for the same price, my understanding is that it will cost around 7000 glimmer and an exotic shard to trade in my best idea is that is should cost 1000 less for each upgread youve put on it, just my thoughts... other then that cant wait for the DARK below

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            • i dont really understand what is going to happened to the exotics we have that are fully upgraded at the moment. can someone explain it to me plz. thnks

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              • Aye yo Deej, If and when we get raid matchmaking, will we have an option to kick players from the fireteam or nah?

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              • I just want to say thank you for allowing us to keep our old exotics relevant. I adore my Symbiote helmet, Crest of Alpha Lupi, and Gjallarhorn. I really appreciate it. Idk how much easier it will be to re-level them, but maybe let the gunsmith sell telemetries for Glimmer? That being said, we're going to need bigger inventory/vault space to carry our old exotics plus the new exotics/legendaries. BTW, 4th Horseman for PS only is not cool.

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              • What concerns me most about all of this is that we're being knocked backwards to make up for lack of content. I do realize this game is only three months old, and this is the first expansion. But we're being forced back into what we've been doing just to keep us active. I'm currently on the fence about having to re do all of my exotic weapons. However I think without doing some other key changes, you're just making it more redundant than it all ready is. Here are my major concerns, and i'm leaving out the exotic ordeal because like i said, i'm currently on the fence. 1) Commendations: With the only way to get commendations is by raising my reputation level with that faction. it seems you've slowed down the player bases upgrade path . I have no problem with having to be a certain reputation level to purchase gear. But now i'm limited to 1 commendation per level gain. So basically all the reputation i've earned since launch is worthless, and any marks i have in reserve are going to basically go to waste while i attempt to gain the levels. 2) Light level requirements for content : I have NO problem with having the maximum light level to participate in "Hard" mode raids. It makes total sense. However, it seems with the commendations, and the 30 light level requirement for the normal mode. You've just thrown me right back into the horrible loot slot machine that is the VoG while i wait to gain reputation with the vanguard to get a commendation. 3) With all these changes you are making, you aren't raising the glimmer cap, the cap on marks, or adding new ways to gain reputation with any of the factions. in fact, you're adding one new faction "Eris" and making getting any upgrades take longer than before (other than the VoG loot table, i have no problem with the current) . My biggest fear is that i'm about to get an expansion that i'll not get any use out of past the first week. I just got put behind the eight ball because rather than have future small content releases you've decided that its better to slow down progression. I seriously don't mind getting reputation with any new faction to get an item. But to have all the work in reputation gained with a current faction wiped out, is kind of frustrating. Exspecailly when there isn't that much in place to do. Personally the more i think about this expansion is just taking gains away from us, to get us to sync more time into the game. I really do not feel like i'm going to a huge benefit from this for atleast three to four weeks.

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              • In Crota's End raid the loot drops are better will this be the case in VoG

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              • My question. What is bungie's stance or reasoning behind on wiping and releveling "vanilla" exotics? To me, it seems like just adding on a few extra damage nodes once upgraded would have made everyone happy. Gun still would need to be leveled, so now one is just being given extra damage without some effort. Perks and time/effort already put into gun isnt lost, others and my self happy. Only people I see upset with this way, are people who dont get a "vanilla" exotic till after dark below. But its not an argument that really makes sense to me since both partys are leveling the guns the same amount. Bungie has done some quick changes and some have taken awhile, so if this were to be changed I know it wouldn't well after the 9th and most likely after others and myself have already upgraded and re leveled those guns I still believe this would be the best solution and make everybody happy. Thanks for reading. P.S "vanilla" exotic = exotics from the main game, pre dlc weapons.

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                • The grind doesnt bother me too much, its part and parcel of an mmo type game. What does bother me is the severe lack of content to make the grinding somewhat fun. Only 3 new story missions in the expansion? seriously???? You need to expand the story a lot more if you are making people pay £20-£35 for your "expansions". You should be adding a new planet with each expansion with lots of new story missions or at least side story missions... a few new pvp maps and a new raid will get old very quick. Also you really need to up the ante on customisation! We all look the -blam!-ing same! there needs to be a wider variety of exotics that add different perks and boosts and the skill trees need reworking so that we can mess with some character builds and keep people trying new combinations etc etc...

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                • I don't have any problem with the optional exotic reset process, which is an established mechanic in games with a focus on leveling. However, it was poorly handled for reasons that you may already have read about on these forums. Why couldn't you have given us a heads-up about it at the same time as the recent exotics buff? By the same token, isn't it a bit late in the day to be asking for feedback now, when there's no way Bungie will have time to make any changes prior to launch? It's easy to assume that the player response couldn't possibly come as a bolt from the blue for you guys, which would imply a certain degree of cynicism on your side.

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                • I reckon, that you should have to use glimmer to upgrade exotics to 2.0, but shouldn't have to re level them as people have used valuable telemetries on upgrading exotics.

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                • What will happen to vog legendary weapons?

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                • WTF RED DEATH NERFED NOT BUFFED U TRADE FIRE RATE FOR DAMAGE IT WAS FINE THE WAY IT WAS A FRIEND WITH A BRAND NEW BAD JUJU IS DOING HIGHER CRITICAL DAMAGE THAN ME

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                • it is a sure path to the dark side of the force. work should not be undone. grinding should not be in vain.

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                • What the -blam!- did you people do to pocket infinity?

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                • stop asking for feedback when it just gets ignored anyway you cretinous little twerp

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