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My probelm with 343/Current Halo games

343i, many of us see this company as Satan, they ruined Halo with their music, COD-gameplay, and button mashing sequences which seemingly saved the world. Everything about 343i and Halo right now is despicable compared to what Halo once was. Think back to those glory days of Halo 1,2,3 when you would sit with friends and play customs or have a LAN party, just laughing the day away with a drink in your hand and a slice of pizza between your teeth. Well then... Ok, so I started off ok with Halo 4, it was an ok game and had many fun moments, sure the campaign was lackluster compared to the previous games ("We have two scarabs, I repeat, two scarabs" *cue epic music*) and the replacement of firefight with Spartan Ops, a needless to say boring and less satisfying "successor?" Theater mode with the decimation of campaign recording was an annoyance, and the fact that they rid forge of many tools that helped the community create amazing game-types and maps that filled my week-ends with fun caused me to have no reason to play customs anymore. Sure, reading that the anger is building up inside you and you want to get a pitchfork and stab it up Frankie's behind so hard, Medieval style. These things (Although annoy the crap out of me) are not my main reason for hating 343i right now, instead it's the announcement of Halo 5, and what Halo 4 still lacks. Allow me to explain: [b]Halo 4[/b] Ok, so before Halo 4 was released 343 stated that along with its [i]Infinity Slayer[/i] it would feature a [i]classic playlist[/i] which would have game-play that felt like Halo 3's which is a great idea, Infinity slayer isn't bad, it just isn't good as the main, base game-type, we want classic Halo. However, 343 went bad on this and decided not to put the [i]Classic playlist[/i] in for whatever reason, time restrictions most likely. While i'm on the subject of playlists, lets talk playlists that are in Halo 4, 343 did a great job of separating CTF from other game-types and i'm extremely happy about that since i'm a huge CTF fan, however the other playlists just don't feel great and more often than not end up with a map and game-type that nobody wants to play because none of the options to vote for were any good to begin with. The amount of times i've played Team Slayer on Complex and listened to most of the players complain is ridiculous, why can't we have a voting system like Halo:Reach where we have the option of none of the above, sure it had faults (people changing their vote 24/7) but other than that it was perfect. Another bad thing about the playlists is that they have a weird want to take many of the playlists out of the game, a huge example of this is Oddball, a game-type and playlist most people loved and it had a large population of the people playing Halo 4 residing in it, however 343 decided to take the playlist out, put it into a bigger playlist that featured games such as king of the hill, and slayer and force people into these games that they never wanted to play in the first place. Why would they do this? Sure separating the playlists into lists such as: Oddball, CTF, King of the hill, etc would mean more playlists and many that would not have many players, but does that matter when people are still happy about the game type they are in? Another problem with game-types is (and i've said this before in other threads) 343's reason that taking many playlists/game-types out of Halo 4, they stated that the Race gametype would not be in Halo 4 matchmaking and they would not be making the game-type because it did not fit the whole story of the multiplayer which is to be a training simulator. The problem with this? First off that doesn't make any sense, Spartans would need training to become better drivers, to maneuver around obstacles, and COMPLETELY fits withing 343's story of multiplayer. If however, we pretend that race does not fit a training simulator, how does infection, mini slayer, binary slayer, etc fit at all? The logic behind this is bizarre and just shows that they just didn't want to put the effort in to create these game-types, their reasoning was BS. So, sure Halo 4 was not the greatest game, but who cares, 343 will learn from their mistakes and make Halo 5 a great game! Hahahahahaha *slowly cries* [b]Halo 5[/b] Obviously we can't say much about multiplayer other than the fact that I can bet you they don't change anything but instead further their failures, however with the campaign we have rumors released... Lets take a look at a major rumor: [i]"The Halo 5 plot details in the leak claim that, post-Cortana, Master Chief has "gone rogue" and taken control of his own ship. This gives him the freedom to visit 6-8 different planets, with each planet hosting a variety of regions, mainline quests and side missions. Say farewell to the familiar linear Halo playstyle, according to the anonymous insider, Halo 5 is going open world."[/i] Now I would call BS on this straight away if I had not seen the Halo 5 trailer, and seen that 343i were looking for, and hiring people "who had experience in MMO's and sandbox games" I'm sorry, but first people complained that Halo 4 did not feel like Halo and you lost countless players, why have they suddenly decided to change it up to open world? Another reason I feel like this rumor could be true is the trailer when the game was announced as just "Halo" their reasoning for the title was stupid, we know it would be Halo 5 so just add the 5 at the end of the damn title... unless they were trying to differentiate themselves from previous Halo games because their game wasn't similar to previous iterations. *Facepalm* 343 needs to set its priorities straight, they were hired to make Halo games, not their own games, we want Halo not COD, we want Halo not WOW.
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  • Mcc nuff said

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    • So they want to make halo destiny (or an mmo) U -blam!-in kid in meh

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    • I completely agree. My friends and i loved playing Halo Reach, and Halo 3 custom games, we still do. But, Halo 4 does not allow the maker of the custom game to switch to change most of the flood traits, including weapons. Like 75% of our game types were infection. None of us play Halo 4 anymore, we go back and play Reach and 3 a couple times a week. It is so annoying to see 343 treat our beloved Halo series like a game they created, and change everything.

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      • Omg, my poor baby ... ... It's dying right before my eyes.. .. I remember a time when Halo, was just secret , no one knew about it, no one had a Xbox .. And this mysterious universe was mine. Now .. .. It's been abused by $$ .. If this Is true , then all hope is lost. We ourselves , the halo community must stand ! And create are own fight to destroy 343i plans ! Who's With Me!

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        • You people only care about multiplayer do you its about the story the universe not the -blam!-ing multiplayer you people make me sick

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          • I am going to say this. My biggest problem with 343i is that they are VERY pliable. What I mean is that they give in to MOST of the demands made by the players who they think will stop playing their game if they don't make changes. Bungie never did this because they had a vision that they were following. 343i is trying to make estimated sales marks. People know what they want, NOT what they like when it comes to a lot of things. Listening and meeting the demands of the very vocal minority was their first mistake. The MLG/HARDCORE competitive players are very few compared to the rest of the population. 343i has ALWAYS tried catering to them(competitive players). Look at the final days of reach, they broke the game when they started removing bloom and reducing it. Once they finally killed the game they probably wrote it off as a failure on Bungie's part. Now look at halo 4. It basically is a purely competitive experience made to be noob friendly, unlike Bungie's halo, which was noob friendly, but could be made to be competitive. It's a situation of priorities. Bungie prioritized noobishness over hardcore playing. But they were good at making gameplay that COULD be competitive. 343i prioritized competitive gameplay and added features that catered new players. But it didn't work. Experienced players can easily overwhelm new bad players in halo 4 because of the way the game works. 2 grenades only on spawn, everyone has sprint, grenade trackers, the health bar shield stuff (not just the way it is, but how it works), and the FUGGING ORDINANCE DROPS. People keep rolling power weapons (I know because I do it) and probably kill other new players to a point where they get discouraged. I have had people tell me they got TIRED of halo 4. TIRED? Because matches can literally be upturned on a moments notice OR can be lost from the beginning if the other team starts rolling good drops from the beginning. MLG playlist are the only consistent playlist aside from the annoying game types that remove equipment and ordinances. But new players aren't going to like pro game types(because they are not pros) TL;DR Here's the deal, you can't get and keep new players by making a competitive game with noob features. 343i got the equation wrong and paid a heavy price for it.

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            • Good post, but i haven't had anything to say about Halo as a whole for awhile now, that all died out for me.

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            • I honestly think that real lore-heavy Halo ended with Halo 3. My theory is that Bungie just wanted to experiment with Reach because if they made 4 with armor abilities and load-outs, they would've been burned at the steak. I respect Bungie for turning Halo over to 343i. Destiny looks way more promising than Halo could've ever been.

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              • I have[spoiler]fun[/spoiler]playing Halo 4 with friends in the same room eating pizza. Just as much [spoiler]fun[/spoiler] as I did Halo 2. Because if you really think back, it was the people, not the game.

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                • Lol WTF BRIT PUT A TL;DR LOL

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                • Master Chief + wheelchair = death of one of the greatest franchises ever conceived.

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                • Modificato da Captain Falcon: 7/12/2013 10:03:08 AM
                  LMAO THAT LEAK IS FAKE. ANYWAY...WITH THE WEAPON UPDATE/MAP CHANGES THAT CAME JUNE 3RD ITS GOOD TO KNOW THEY AT LEAST KNOW HOW TO DO SHIT RIGHT. THEY JUST NEED MORE THAN 4 GOOD MAPS ON LAUNCH. IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE YOU FOLLOW COMPETITIVE HALO EITHER BUT IF YOU DID YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL 343 MADE HUGE MISTAKES. SORRY MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKE

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                  • Modificato da LordFarquaad690: 7/12/2013 8:32:14 PM
                    Halo should have ended at 3, yes their were unanswered questions, but that is the beauty of it. I think the main problem is that people got bored of it after 13 years, it was an Alaskan pipe line. We needed something new, we needed Destiny.

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                    • The issue was that it was an "ok" game that was the sequel to 5 of the best casual arena shooters of all time. It was disappointing, not bad.

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                      • I liked Laksy's character. That was it, there should of been more of him. Even though I don't like the direction Halo has turned, I won't stop buying it just yet. They should really retire, kill off, Master Chief too. Bungie showed with OSDT and Reach that you don't need him in the game, although I guess he was in both of those games.

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                        • I don't necessarily agree with your opinion, as u enjoyed halo 4, but I feel that your reasoning was sound. Good job in presentation.

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                        • As much hate as you will get for this thread I agree with you. Sadly though we must all come to realize that real Halo is done. It ended with Halo 3 as Bungie intended. We have t accept that 343 will break promises, fail and do their own thing. At this point it is done, its just in the dirt being hit for money until nothing more exists.

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                          • My problems with Halo 4 - story mode was so boring I didn't even play it all. - sound effects for guns (I thought they were terrible) - multiplayer maps were terrible - for some reason it had CoD controls - the game is overdone and doesn't need more than 4 title releases (should just be H1, H2, H3, H:Reach (thats right....no ODST)) Halo should have ended with Bungie. All good games DO come to an end.

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                            • Playing the halo 3 campaign again, and Enjoying it, the soundtrack is wonderful, and it's depressing seeing where halo has gone.

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                              • Modificato da Quail Checkers: 7/12/2013 9:32:59 AM
                                Umm I actually like Halo the way it is now? I don't see why people hate it so much, and I don't see why so many people think it is like Cod; maybe people have been playing too many games so they start meshing together so they seem like each other. I suppose I can see some similarities, but between what the fans want and what is good for 343i I don't see how they can get around being at least a little like some other games (especially if the games being compared to Halo are FPS and multi-player). Also we have to worry about Microsoft pushing around 343i, which I am more than sure Microsoft is the real culprit to why Halo is similar to Cod (Microsoft really likes satisfying what they think customers like). There are also all of the people 343i partners with like Activision or Certain Affinity. Sure I don't like some of the things that 343i is doing with Halo, but they are a completely different company than Bungie, and many ideas and employees have been lost due to the split that gave 343i (more importantly Microsoft) power over Halo. At least I am looking forward to server supported multi-player.

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                              • Good thread

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                              • I thought that Halo 4 was a decent attempt for the first game 343 has made in a new trilogy, however I think that there was something missing in the game types selection...something Invasion shaped...

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                                • 343 did seem to make changes in multiplayer for the sake of changes, and done them poorly. The weapon unlocking system is so quick and easy that it might as well not be there, and the light rifle and DMR work the same anyway. Spartan ops was a good idea, but the boring story, its separation from gameplay, and the repetition of the gameplay failed it. As for Halo 5, if they make the campaign open world, yet leave co-op to a max of four people, I would love that. A chance to actually explore the world would be brilliant, just taking a warthog out across a planet simply because I want to and not becuase some boring general told me too, and actually investigating forerunner ruins for myself would be fun. I don't like the new UNSC of Halo 4, so Chief the wilderness will really create some proper mystery and atmosphere for the game. That would be the good kind of change, proper progress for halo.

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                                  • the idea of multiplayer having a story is stupid no one gives two shits bout multiplayer having a story.. it doesnt even feel like what they tried to make it be..... a " training simulator"? lol what a joke. it just feels like multi-player to me........... nothing special. also they took out elites...... those bastards >:(

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                                    • Modificato da Demize: 7/11/2013 11:45:52 PM
                                      Just wait maybe Activision will pay to help with Halo 5.

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                                    • I'm speechless, no really, I am. I know 343i just want the world of Halo to burn. Were you banned from Waypoint by any chance?

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