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Not every exotic is meant for the crucible, and they don't have to be. You don't go into a raid rocking one eyed mask do you? Some items or abilities excel more in different activities. The scout that's useless in pvp might be super helpful in let's say the outbreak mission where range enemies don't fall as easy to a pulse.

Most people would say it is the best than it's ever been, but I disagree with it, crucible used to be enjoyable, but I've been in there a few times and hated it because most weapons I have been killed by only kill me with one shot and no such guns should do that, especially if I am doing a catalyst for a specific weapon, yah sniper rifles are one shot kills but hand cannons, scout rifles and being shot with a shotgun when the player is too far from that's horse trash too because shotguns are up close and personal weapons

I do agree that there's a bunch of weapons and exotics that need tuning and I do agree supers need to be weaker but I disagree in saying this is the worst crucible has been in d2 I love the chaos in the current sandbox and it is much more fun than nothing but primary battles. However I think special scavenging perks should max out in giving 2 ammo per special brick to encourage more primary play and less doing nothing but shotgun ape or fusion rifleing people, snipers and grenade launchers which require more skill to use would remain unchanged and supers should be able to be shut down using special weapons or team shooting them down.

I feel like people that complain about pvp games are just salty. Aim better, know the hit boxes, learn to dodge and for this game especially...know the game mechanics. Playing twitch-based shooters and getting old sucks. Reaction time, reflexes and awareness start to dissipate, it gets tough.

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Idk what you're talking about verity's brow plus well tree equals mucho overshields.

This is what you get when you support a pvp that allows every player to have a custom load out. Imagine everyone starting with hand cannons only and instead of heavy ammo crates it is a heavy weapon for pick up. Watch the skill gap increase

I agree that many things could be balanced better. What I really want though is no more Control on Convergence. With a team it's fine, but with randoms it is a frustrating experience.

Firstly can I just say, the Aeon gauntlets are good when you're coordinating with em. If not, yeah, they're garbage. Eye of Another world isn't bad, it's just a purely passive exotic. I also see tripmine grenades fairly frequently. They do work. Same with voidwall. You gotta stop being completely definitive like that in your post. Also, not every exotic is meant to be used in every activity, same with grenades. In my opinion supers are fine where they are right now. You get them once (maybe twice) in the competitive only gamemodes which is great. In the more casual gamemodes like control and clash I think it's fine as well. Also, you state that some supers can kill.. [quote] Every class has a super that can kill you twice with one activation [/quote] What does that mean? Of course supers can kill more then one person? Or are you meaning that roaming supers can kill you once, then by the time you respawn, kill you again? If that's the case I'm sorry but you need to start learning how to run away from roaming supers. [b]Now the parts I agree with,[/b] Yes, there are some weapon types in Crucible that are incredibly left out. Scout Rifles in the game have always been in an incredibly weird place in D2 I would argue because of how maps are structured (more on that in a sec), and that pulses basically just do their job better then they do. Linear fusions are awkward because they take heavy ammo, autos/submachine guns are just too niche in pvp as they're close range. You're only getting a kill with an auto rifle if the person is close enough and happens to not have any special ammo. It sucks that the range on autos/submachine guns is outclassed by pulses at medium range, and any special besides snipers at short range. Now the maps, when you look at nearly all of the year 1 maps excluding remakes from D1 they were all made with a completely different weapon system in mind. When shotguns/fusions/snipers were in the heavy category. I would attribute this to by why they can clean up much easier in pvp. My hope is with Shadowkeep they bring a healthy amount of new crucible maps designed with the current weapon system in mind. I especially hope they bring back combined arms as that would give scouts much more use along with dampening the effectiveness on shotguns for those maps.

Exotic are not just a PvP problem. Some should shine in either PvE or PvP. Though the ones you mentioned do not shine in either.

It has its problems, sure, but stranglely enough I've actually found myself enjoying it lately. Interested to see what the planned shakeup is for september.

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