crucible is shit. got bored and decided to try and finish off suros's catalyst and got slaughtered. Green ammo is the major problem, 2 guys went the whole game running together, one with erentil and one with DRB. NEVER RAN PUT OF AMMO! just get a good special weapon and either a pulse or 180 hc or smg and thats it.

Tf are you talking about. This is one if the best metas weve had. Snipers are being used a lot more but shotguns are also viable. Erentil is nutty which fills the fusion department. Handcannons are in the best state theyve ever been in, and certain pulses are also very good. Polaris lance is used a lot in crucible, and some sidearms like last hope still slap. Autos do need a buff though.

Ever Heard of "Sheople" ? Yeah, pretty much sums up the American Society as a whole which trickles down through cultures, sub-cultures, micro-cultures, and so on. So it is no surprise that it is the gamer society as well (especially with the streamer popularity leading the way). Bungie puts a sniper on the menu as a pinnacle weapon and BOOM the META changes but nothing else really did except the addition of few new snipers to farm for. Snipers were not really improved. Sheople were just herded in that direction by the Herder ( aka BUNGIE). Don't get it twisted, I am not bashing the game or hating on anyone, it is just the obvious facts. I really like the game on a love/hate type relationship level. The Sheople mentality of the majority just amuses me. Don't be a part of the herd, be original and break away from the herd. It is way more fun!!!

Scouts are not in a bad place. People are just using the wrong ones. May I suggest Garden Progeny 1?

I disagree. I find PVP some of the most balanced it has been in regards to weapons since even D1. Yes there are weapons that clearly shine in given situations compared to others, but your equipment isn't locked on PVP at all right now. I will change builds depending on the situation and my play style as well if necessary. Most of the balance/imbalance argument anymore lies with abilities and classes. If you keep running into the fray using the same tactic that gets you killed over and over, thats your fault. Weapons don't make the player do work, the player makes the weapon do work.

Should probably start by taking a look at the overwhelming amount of Hunters wearing Stompees while also using a shotgun too.. Surely it must be obvious to Bungie by now.

Oh you mean recluse simulator ? Yeah it could definitely be changed . I can’t even imagine how awful it will be once ppl have intellect builds in shadow keep on top of 5 super mods . Lol rip gunskill

Eh I still personally think RoI was the worst for PvP

The crucible has [i]never[/i] been good.

I’d just like to see their connection speed bars again.

pvp will always have it's issues. It sucks. I think it would be better if all abilities on all classes could be modded to your main character. For instance, I'm a warlock. I hate flying around like an asshole after I jump once. Give me a node to unlock a double jump. Maybe kill 200-500 hunters in pvp unlocks this node. Doing so, consumes your victims energy or abilities. Or let me unlock the very annoying shoulder charge on my warlock. Or give me an ability like evade which helps out sooooo damn much in battle. You guys can have the void melee, I really don't care, it's the only warlock ability that is somewhat good or too good. But rarely procs like it should. If you want to use a scout rifle. You change your game play. Problem with a scout rifle user, they want to press the action/pace of the game, so they go in head strong. You can't do that with long range weapons. You'll lose more than not. Jade rabbit is very good, so is mida multi tool. But you need to sit back. Also recommend playing like a shotgun turd and crouch near an area that get's a lot of action, but you are at a distance from everyone. I've done this before and was mapping kids with the jade rabbit and ended up having a really good game. Submachine guns. Try pillager. That thing melts faster than the recluse up close. But 10-15 feet away. It drastically turns into a piece of shit. I was using it yesterday and was shocked how fast I was killing people with it. But then I started shooting at them at distance and it's terrible. Sidearm. Check mine out on my character. You get this roll, put on the mod and push the pace and have a decent strife game. It's the most fun you'll have in the game. It's all I use. Against a team, it can be hard to compete though cause if 2 or more people are around. You'll get melted without killing a lot of the times. But in 1v1, The odds are in your favor. Auto rifles. Suros is decent. But the sweet business is SWEET! Yesterday I played with it and got 35 and 33 kills in my game and it was solely sweet business kills. No melee, no sniper, all sweet business. You have to keep the gun fired up though so when you see someone, the bullets start flying sooner than later. Also, it maps at pulse rifle/scout rifle range. If you try it, Stick with it. Don't lose a 1v1 battle one time and consider it a piece of shit. You have to get used to how it feels. Spawn points need to be fixed in the game. Maps need to be slightly larger. Pvp feels pretty good other wise.

Its not a good experience getting super chain killed by not just one person but by 3-4 people in the midst of having a decent game and it becoming a trainwreck quickly. Once supers come in the matches start going lopsided at that point, gunfights don't feel impactful anymore, instead its which team got more orbs off their teammates?

Removed, Crucible needs to be Removed. Kit based PVP based on high TTK weapons that are mostly gained through RNG, is a fundamentally terrible concept. On top of that the ults are in no way equal, and the ability to charge said ults doubly so.