Yes!!! Keep the pvp wrecking ball swinging, hopefully you’ll get them all to leave before d3 so pvp can be removed and not forced anymore, also if you could remove gambit that’d be great!

ha iniziato una nuova discussione: Petition to Keep Luna's/NF as is (SIGN NOW)(115 Risposte))

The problem is not Luna and NF, it’s 180s altogether. There are two different metas on pc vs console and it’s all due to one reason; bloom and recoil. There are other handcannons that have competitive ttks but due to bloom and recoil they are unreliable compared to any 180. Fix other handcannons and stop the nerfs. Ace has 57% of kills in comp on pc, Luna only has 10% and NF doesent even crack the top 5 list. So how is the perk op if it’s not a problem on PC? Answer is bloom and recoil. Now with this nerf we will still be in a 180 meta due to bloom and recoil. Congratulations, erentill is the new lunas/NF, Bungie turning this game into a joke for pvp. I thought we were respecting players time? This nerf might be the ultimate disrespect. You’re nerfing the only consistent HCs on console.

I cant believe that anyone with an interest in PVP would complain about these changes. If you are skilled enough to use lunas then you should be able to move to another weapon and compete or use it post nerf. As it is the player base is shrinking fast as casuals cant compete and wont hang around for a constant stomping. Everyone should have an interest in allowing the casuals a better chance as the crucible needs to expand its player base asap.

As an NF user and Unbroken guardian. ***My Opinion*** **I respect all other opinions please respect mine** My months of hard work just went down the drain. Why make something pinnacle and extremely hard to get... Just for it and the player to get slapped across the face. This isn't me whining but here to simply see that unfortunately Bungie has no respect for the time commitment the hardcore PvP players gave. Including mine. If I had to voice my opinion, I'm a strong believer that nerfing Lunas & NF is NOT the way to go. Both Lunas and NF are weapons earned, not obtained by RNG, for those not fortunate enough to get either one of them. Its your choice to either fight to improve or adapt if you can't earn it you shouldn't be able to use it. Thus results in me believing that the solution is too BUFF all other weapons giving the people who aren't skilled enough to wield Lunas or NF the ability to wield all other weapons with close to equal chance of beating Lunas or NF.

I totally agree with these changes. In D1, I used to try different weapons, perks, and have fun if I get a new weapon in PvP. Now, I cannot Compete against LH and NF. In fact the random perks is useless now due to these weapons being everywhere in the sandbox. Why is random perks useless, you asked? Name one primary weapon has a god roll perks in D2 you are grinding for PvP use other than LH or NF? If you say pulse rifles, too bad coz you cannot compete against these weapons and you my friend wasted a lot of time on weapon that will end up in your volt once you get LH. We played countless hours to get great weapons and perks in D1 that would suit our play style, but now no need for that get LH or NF and you’re good to go, and that leads to a lot of people quit playing PvP in destiny. Not everyone good with hand cannons.

For those who grinded for NF. Its a slap in their face. For some player its a trophy not just a gun. Maybe the team who decide to nerf the gun did the gameplay test. But have they test what it takes to get the gun. Not to mention, the matchmaking is stupid. I am not a god pvp player and thats why i will never play without a full team.but you gotta understand.. its almost impossible to matchmake without a team. I spent over half hour to matchmake while playing solo in that rank ... only to realise its a waste of time. May be they should nerf the Luna RPM to 150 , nerf the magnificent howl perk but still keep Not Forgotten at 180 rpm .So people who doesnt have Luna can afford to go for it since it other players will use different gun to compete in comp. And it still keeps the interest for the people who want to go for Not Forgotten.

So is it gonna take 6mo to fix the xur bounty.

I am primarily a PVE player. I do what I need to in PVP, but I am most definitely not a even average PVP player. I spent the last 7.5 months working on the LH quest, and I literally got the gun less than 24 hours before the nerf was announced. I worked my tail off for that gun, I earned it, and no, I didn't pay for it. It was the hardest thing I have accomplished in Destiny 2, including soloing Shattered Throne. To all of the people who asked for the nerf: It's a shame that you can't look at the weapon and instead of wanting a nerf, want to get the gun instead. If I can do it, you can too. My kd is 0.79. It wasn't easy, but it was worth all the blood, sweat and tears. LH is a joy to use! Well, it WAS worth it....maybe not so much in a month or so. To Bungie: It's insulting and disrespectful of your players' time and effort to nerf the weapons. The lip service you give in the TWAB about how you appreciate the effort is simply that, lip service. It's a slap in the face. There are other ways to deal with imbalance, like buffing other weapons, removing bloom and fixing the recoil on the other hand cannons, etc. The community has been asking for those changes to hand cannons for months, but instead of addressing those concerns, you are taking the easy way out. You are also alienating your most committed players, the people who are willing to put in the time and effort required to complete the most difficult content. Who do you think is still playing this game? As for me, going forward, I'm going to have to ask myself if pursuing any of the pinnacle weapons is worth my time and effort, when they will inevitably get nerfed. When the hype train arrives this summer with news about the next expansion, I'm going to have to ask myself if I really want to invest any more of my money in a company that values me, an every day player, so little. I imagine I won't be the only one considering those questions. Thanks for reading.

Even without NF/LH a good player will always adapt and shine in PvP, was with automatic rifles, was for graviton lance and antiope and now will be for this last nerf. Remember hands are the most powerfull weapons in the game, that's the reason why you all non PvP player who are happy for the nerf should understand that is not a weapon nerf that will change things...

This forum is more fun than playing the game🤣😂!!

Ok. . But what about enchantment cores and them being removed from infusion? You guys are aware of this top complaint, right?

Tone deaf as usual...... Enhancement Cores are a huge problem, but just skip over that one. Luna’s/But Not Forgotten are overused, so your just going to not acknowledge the fact that other archetypes of hand cannons aren’t used because of Bloom/Inconsistency and Stability issues?!???? Maybe address THOSE issues and see what happens. Oh wait, Bungie implemented those for some asinine reason and refuses to go back on it even though the player base has said time and time again to remove them. Seems like that issue and Enhancement Cores are a Bungie perspective/choice problem that’s being pushed off onto the player. Again, Bungie is tone deaf!

I get the impression you write these TWAB’s with the purpose to both perplex and frustrate players. You knowingly launch a bounty non-one can complete and nerf some of the most difficult weapons one can get because they’re too good? When I get shot by someone with either of these I don’t think, nerf that it’s OP it’s not fair etc, I think that’s one hell of a hand cannon but I can’t be arsed to do the challenge, fair enough, my choice. Another confounding move.