Working dad here. You choose family over video games as the responsible thing to do. Accept you will never have enough time to invest to get these pinnacle weapons without giving up family, work or sleep. My suggestion is to enjoy what you can and not worry about playing the collection game.

I'm a working dad with 2 kids. I just hit 700 this week entirely solo (save for Nightfall lfg) and I've never raided. Raids, pvp pinnacle weapons, and grindy titles/triumphs/vanity items are really the only things I don't have time for. So yeah I agree with you that being a completionist is pretty much out of the picture. But the bulk of the game is still within reach. Of course it's an entirely different story if you've got babies or little kids that aren't in school yet. It's freaking awesome when they get a little older and self sufficient. Man I don't miss those early years.

Working dads the most oppressed group in gaming Should have wrapped your Willy’s

Wtf is this post it literally takes 1-2 hours to complete all the milestones on a character for the week and takes 15 minutes to do a daily how do you knot have time in your day? Maybe watch less espn and Fox News you might be able to accomplish something in the game

An hour in this game is like 5 minutes working out. It just won't do you any good.

Totally agree. The pinnacle weapon grinds are just too much. And on top of it comes the seasonal stuff you need to do, otherwise the gear is gone forever. The game is now made for jobless, kids or streamers. If you work full time, you're screwed.

Spend more time with your kids, rather than worrying about a video game.

What about working moms? What a sexist post 😂

As a working dad myself who spends 3-4 hours daily in game, may i ask, 2-3 hours is already long for you? that's only what? 3 rounds of crucible, 2 gambit primes, 1 vanguard strike? how to get anywhere with that? but you see - grinds are grinds. that's the only thing that keeps you from playing the game with a fair amount of progression. Because really, without the grind - what is there left to do? See, now that i have 21% DELIRIUM i'm beginning to lose interest forging Machine Guns. seriously for what? Imagine, if I don't - I need not do any Black armory content - which is a waste of content really. I mean we paid for these only to be outdated just like that! But hey, i'm still doing 1-2 weapon forges daily - just for the joy and fun of it. ;) isn't this supposed to be the main motivation for every game - PLAY! not a chore.

If you’ve enjoyed the game up to this point why are you complaining about grinding now? Light level has the least value ever (iron banner, gambit invasions, reckoning) and there are tons of ways to improve light level without being pigeonholed into specific activities. If anything the game is the most noob friendly it’s ever been right now.

I'm a caregiver. Both the "loss physics" in comp and the fact that they refuse to add matchmaking even to to things as easy to do matchmaking for as night fall means I'm usually screwed out of everything. "Oh hey you want to get to 2100 in comp? Just get a team together in lfg, even if most of you are bad, you'll still win more games than you lose." or "Hey just use lfg to do the nightfall so you can grind this weapon or that weapon or what ever and you don't even need to use a mic"... Do you know the kind of PTSD causing shit caregivers deal with? People describe caring for elders a lot like caring for children, and beyond being an offensive and disrespectful way to think of it, it's also wrong. But if you're going to use that metaphor, being a caregiver to an elder with declining health is not like being a parent, as a parent your childs dependence on you will diminish over time, no, being a caregiver is like being the parent of a terminally ill child, one who lives in pain, one whom is going to die, and soon, will it be today? Tomorrow? Two years from now? You don't know, but it's not in the distant future, it's soon, and all you can do is hope it's not today, oh and let me add you get to feel guilty for hoping it's not today because each day you add to their life is another day for them to suffer. But you never know why you're being called away. Are they hungry? Are they thirsty? ARE THEY DYING?! You don't know! You just know you have to go do for them what they cannot do for them selves and while often times yes it could have waited, often times it can't. Good luck making a fireteam under the pretense "look shit could get real at any time so if I have to just suddenly bail, tough shit you'll just have to deal with it". Yeah. That'll go great. It's not just "working dads" or "college students" or any way you want to slice it who this game is "hard on". This game "FUÇKS OVER" anyone who has real world responsibilities that aren't get literally paid as a streamer or youtuber to play this damned game over and over all day every day. People have responsibilities in life and it's time that these "game as a service" time traps started to respect people who might be fans but can't fanatically dedicate every minute of every day because THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN THE -blam!-ING WORLD BESIDES THIS ONE GAME.