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Modificato da sedulam: 7/9/2016 6:31:23 PM
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Brazillian is NOT a language

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ALL WITH PROPER ATTENTION, SKIP TO [b]EDIT (DAY 2)[/b], TO GET A SUMMARY [OP] Received an email from Bungie with the header in the attached picture. Now, can you please explain to me why you show a Spanish flag for Spanish, but then show a Brazillian flag for Portuguese? This is an utter disrespect for Portugal and our language heritage. If the situation were reversed, you would also show a British flag for English, instead of an American one. Just the same way that I bet there are more Spanish speaking Latinos than actual Spanish people, the fact that there are more Brazilians than Portuguese, doesn't justify switching the banners. It's an essential thing of respecting a culture and a country. If the subject of simple respect is not enough for you to use the correct flag, please do it for knowledge reasons, since it shows a lack of the world and cultural understanding, something that a company with a global reach like yours, should be well aware of. Thanks. [b]EDIT:[/b] As I replied to a Guardian just now, this is NOT a hate towards Brazil in any way. I have the utmost respect for Brazillian people. This is a heads-up to Bungie in asking they respect a country and its cultural heritage. [b]EDIT (day 2):[/b] Was under a lot of stress, and without the morning cigarette when I wrote the post. So it does indeed seem like I'm super offended by it. I know it's not the end of the world or anything, it would be just a minor gesture from Bungie, and coherent with the other flags being shown, but not something that will make me drop a bomb on Bungie HQ or even getting warmed up about it. No need to start your guns, Mr. Keyboard Commandos. If you're in need of relieving stress, go have a walk or do some sport, which is what I should've done yesterday. Also, although I appreciate the support my portuguese fellows gave this, I have to tell you, we really need to stop thinking that the world owes us respect because we were a world power so long ago (have seen this argument over and over again in the comments). It's totally irrelevant now days, and until we put this old glory to rest, I don't think Portugal will ever move on. If we deserve respect, it's purely because we are people and have an identity, and part of that identity is our language. Nothing else. People deserve respect regardless of where we're from, our colour, our hobbies, our sexuality, etc. People deserve respect, period. If you don't respect people based on the fact that they are humans, then you're just a c*nt, and should die shafted by an Yeti (lol). Although I can now tell you that I'm not offended, I haven't deleted or rewrite the post because it has been interesting to hear some opinions (and make fun of the rude trolls), and even learning a couple of things. Unfortunately, most of you didn't even made an effort to put yourselves in our position, and just assumed we are super sensitive. Let me tell you a story. I also used to think like that; once I even commented to a gay friend that I didn't understand why they got so upset about gay jokes. And she said, "It's not your place to dismiss the fact we're offended if you never went through the same thing". In the past, I also didn't see what the fuss was all about with immigrants. Until the day I became an immigrant myself, treated differently, and even had my wife and friends being victims of racist attacks. Trust me on this; it changes your whole perspective. It's not the same thing, or even near, the topic of this post, I know, but serves to illustrate that you shouldn't be so dismissive when a minority feels offended. Try to go through the same experience, and don't be a c*nt. Or you'll get shafted by a Yeti... With AIDS. Anyway, it's weekend, go shoot some dregs!
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  • [quote][b]EDIT:[/b] As I replied to a Guardian just now, this is NOT a hate towards Brazil in any way. I have the utmost respect for Brazillian people. This is a heads-up to Bungie in asking they respect a country and its cultural heritage.[/quote] Your position is correct. There are two version of Portuguese currently, the European Portuguese which is spoken by all countries with Portuguese as an official language (excluding Brazil). This variant of the Portuguese language (also it's main branch) is controlled and developed by the Academy of Science of Lisbon. The Brazilian variant is controlled and developed by the Academia Brazileira de Letras. Furthermore, this isn't a problem of 'tribalism', this is a marketing problem, specially regarding product localization. Things like this are common worldwide. For example Mazda had to change the name of 'MR2' in French speaking countries, as Chevrollet changed it's 'Nova' series name in Spanish speaking countries. Above all this is a huge marketing fail. So far it's clear that fails on this field trigger this kind of situations. Marketing professionals are required to do better than this. [quote]Also, although I appreciate the support my portuguese fellows gave this[/quote] I'm not supporting you. Everyone in Portugal or Brazil (or any other Portuguese speaking country) knows what is happening with the massive attacks on our culture sponsored by a group of ignorant filisteans. We even had Judges on court rejecting official documents for not being written in the proper form of Portuguese (the court of Judge Alexander, you know who I am speaking of) doesn't aknowledge paperwork written in AO form. Even the President of the Republic has been consistly against it, he even said that if Brazil and Mozambique don't ractify the agreement, the AO is to die. You brought here a fight known to most Portuguese speaking people, but that most people who are not part of this 'niche' have no knowledge or understanding. So eventually, this would trigger the whole bullshit it did. [quote]I have to tell you, we really need to stop thinking that the world owes us respect because we were a world power so long ago (have seen this argument over and over again in the comments). It's totally irrelevant now days, and until we put this old glory to rest, I don't think Portugal will ever move on. If we deserve respect, it's purely because we are people and have an identity, and part of that identity is our language. Nothing else. People deserve respect regardless of where we're from, our colour, our hobbies, our sexuality, etc. People deserve respect, period. If you don't respect people based on the fact that they are humans, then you're just a c*nt, and should die shafted by an Yeti (lol). Although I can now tell you that I'm not offended, I haven't deleted or rewrite the post because it has been interesting to hear some opinions (and make fun of the rude trolls), and even learning a couple of things. Unfortunately, most of you didn't even made an effort to put yourselves in our position, and just assumed we are super sensitive. Let me tell you a story. I also used to think like that; once I even commented to a gay friend that I didn't understand why they got so upset about gay jokes. And she said, "It's not your place to dismiss the fact we're offended if you never went through the same thing". In the past, I also didn't see what the fuss was all about with immigrants. Until the day I became an immigrant myself, treated differently, and even had my wife and friends being victims of racist attacks. Trust me on this; it changes your whole perspective. It's not the same thing, or even near, the topic of this post, I know, but serves to illustrate that you shouldn't be so dismissive when a minority feels offended. Try to go through the same experience, and don't be a c*nt. Or you'll get shafted by a Yeti... With AIDS. Anyway, it's weekend, go shoot some dregs![/quote] If you are going to play the 'emo', then next time do us all a favor and don't post. Even though I think you did right by pointing it. But it is mainly a marketing issue regarding cultural adaptation or localization of a product.

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      I think the goal was achieved You know the game comes in Portuguese don't you? You knew it once you saw the Brazilian flag I don't need to look for the Mexican flag to know it comes in Spanish cause Spain's flag is there Relax a bit , get angry at things that matter

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      • Hmm if I hear someone say they speak Brazilian, being smart and all I instantly think Portuguese. I guess I'm just more advanced then you primitive human beings. As for Spanish speaking countries, they all have their own dialect so I speak Mexican as oppose to I speak Spanish is valid because they speak Mexican Spanish. Spain is the only country I know of that speaks Spanish. All other varieties are influenced by the natives that lived there also. Example Puerto Rico was established by Taino Indians before conquered by Spain. So their Spanish language which is very similar have words that aren't used by Spaniards. Hope this clarifies your ignorance.

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        • Uh. Dude. Maybe it's because more people play in Brazil than Portugal? And let's be honest, if your average American or Brit saw a Portuguese flag, they'd have no idea what language it is. Bungie isn't the first. Also, Brazil is hosting the Olympics, so maybe it's in honour of that instead of in honour of a nation that forcefully invaded three continents.

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          • If they're using Brazilian Portuguese grammar/spelling/vocabulary, it's best to use the Brazilian flag. By the way, many games released in America have included the BR-PT voice dubs (alongside Spanish and French), so it's also region. European games have the PT-PT and use the Portugal flag there.

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            • If Cortez hadn't taken Pocohontas back to Europe, she would still be alive. So -blam!- it

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            • Why is this guy getting so much hate? He is giving his feedback to bungie (which is his privlige) so stop attacking him.

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              • I mean no disrespect when I say this: there are waaaay more important things to get upset about in this world.

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                • I really do respect your day 2 edit 👌

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                • Some people just look for opportunities to be offended

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                  • Shut up. Its just a flag. Were bitching about flags now? 0_o

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                    • I'm sorry but you're really daft. It's not really a lack of cultural understanding. Unless you actually live in Portugal, it is accurate. Brazil is the only "State" in South America that speaks Portuguese as it's main language.

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                      • 'cuz were 'MURICAN n we speak 'MURICAN! fak ur centimeters we have inches! fak ur literes we have ounces! fak ur football we have soccer! 'MURICA!!! *shoots guns*

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                        • Uhh... England is where English started. Hence, ENGland.

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                          • Modificato da panzerfaust: 7/8/2016 1:33:22 PM
                            [quote]Now, can you please explain to me why you show a Spanish flag for Spanish, but then show a Brazillian flag for Portuguese? [/quote] Actually Brazilian Portuguese is a language; The European Portuguese (PT_PT) is maintained as a language by the Science Academy of Lisbon, while Brazilian Portuguese (PT_BR) is maintained by a Brazilian organization. Also the Angolans are also preparing their own version of Portuguese to be PT_AN. There are countless differences between languages. The European Portuguese is based mainly in latin (grammar) and in germanic languages. As Portuguese culture is also touch by a lot of germanic traditions such as our court and judicial systems. Brazilian Portuguese has it's roots in European Portuguese from the 16th century and has been influenced by African. Also it is a common mistake to assume that all Brazil speaks Portuguese, there are in fact cities in South Brazil that speak German and Italian. The main problem here is that you have an American Studio, and probably for them Brazil is Portugal :) Or then again they see it as a mass or 250 millions Brazilians vs 16 million European Portuguese. We know you are right, but then again, -blam!- the americans and -blam!- the brazilians... Their literacy is pretty much the same. The fact here is that Brazil has not ractified the Ortographic Treaty, therefore, there are actually more people speaking European Portuguese than Brazilians. Brazil might have been the biggest colony, but all the others banded together have far more inhabitants and Portuguese speakers than Brazil itself.

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                            • I speak American, but I have to click on an English flag 80% of the time I want an English web page. You don't see me getting my panties in a bunch. Also, there are prolly just more gamers in Brazil, so they have it set to the larger market. Also, if having to click on lil flag on a web-page offends your country and your cultural heritage...yea that's pretty weak dude.

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                              • For a moment I thought someone referred to the language of Brazil being Brazillian. Which is of course incorrect, much like how there is no language called Chinese. But it turns out this has something to do with flags or whatever. I'm American and I for one wouldn't be bothered if English had a British flag attached to it. I guess some are more sensitive to these things.

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                              • I'm willing to bet there are a lot more Brazilian players than Portuguese players. Someone would have to get the short end of the stick.

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                                • Modificato da Natmos: 7/8/2016 10:37:22 PM
                                  [quote]If the situation were reversed, you would also show a British flag for English, instead of an American one. [/quote] If they showed an american flag for english, English people would be pissed.

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                                  • It's always the US or UK flag next to English. We Canadians always get shafted.

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                                    • Modificato da Anedime: 7/8/2016 7:33:25 PM
                                      Accessibility. American and British flags are well known. And there is enough of a difference in language to allow both. Meanwhile Portugese between Brazil and Portugal are fairly similar and in all reality most people just can't recognize a Portugese flag at a glance as easily as they can Brazillian. And I honestly don't understand your frustration, I'm from Bosnia and like 90% of the time to pick my native language I have to click on Croatian or Serbian flag(to put clicking Serbian flag to represent me in perspective, in the mid-90's, the Serbian genocide ended up costings over hundred thousand of Bosnian civilian their lives) , FFS here in America most companies don't even allow you to put Bosnian as a second language if you're filing electronically for an application. tl;dr Its not personal and its not going to change, get over it, no country is the center of the universe and no country has an obligation to be supportive, respective or patriotic to another country. Just remember that, respect is a courtesy, not a right.

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                                      • So I'm assuming your Portugese, or atleast have a massive respect for your Portugese heritage? It's the same with my family, except were Italian-american

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                                      • This butt hurt PC generation is astounding... Amazing. Do you people ever run out of things to be offended by?? Grow the -blam!- up.. who cares.

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                                        • Ah got to love Vulgar Latin, know one you can learn them all.

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                                        • "You find me offensive. I find you offensive, for finding me offensive." -Eminem

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                                        • Modificato da Keightley: 7/8/2016 6:51:46 PM
                                          It's funny that Americans think English is their language.. hint's in the name lol.

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