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6/15/2016 6:51:55 PM
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Sunsingers are HORRIBLE
Ok so I agree firebolts before the first nerf was op but u guys nerfed it already now you nerfed it to the point no one will use it and also needing Viking whatever wasn't needed because yeah u might die from a melee and he burns and dies it's a trade THATS BALANCED. And you guys nerfing it makes no sense. If u die from sunsingers now YOURE TRASH so Bungie good job.
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Tbh they didnt need to do all that. The super isnt really scary. You can run away amd if he has a rez you just kill them with good timing shotty or snipers. If they toke off 2 or 3 ticks it woulda been gucci
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1 RispondiFirebolt nerf will inevitably lead to a sticky grenade nerf. Because that's all people will use now
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2 RisposteSunsinger was always a pve class to me. WALK THE VOID BROTHER WARLOCK
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21 RisposteModificato da iDovahBear: 6/17/2016 9:58:54 AMSeeing as Defender was bottlenecked into a very niche playstyle for PvP to even remain remotely viable, I think it makes sense to shove Sunsingers into a very similar niche. I feel like Solar Grenades+Touch of Flame using Radiant Will for enhanced Super duration is the obvious answer here. Instead of Fire Bolt, simply learn to use this. It won't do nearly as much damage but the zoning potential in comparison is thrice as effective. Pair this with Sunbreakers' extra Grenade and Solar Grenade duration Exotic Perk, and you guys still have a solid Sunsinger build for at least Iron Banner, possibly even Trials of Osiris if you save it to zone out the flag. They were always the default Support/PvE Sunsinger class. They deserved this treatment. I would say this was a long time coming, from a Titan's perspective. Nightstalkers will be next if Hunters don't start playing other subclasses for PvP. But Bungie ultimately doomed that to happening when they nerfed the alternatives without much reason.
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3 RisposteI hope everyone enjoys getting stuck in the face with fusion grenades.
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Use your firebolt a couple seconds later. Like right before you come around a corner and get the enemy hurt and then it's real easy to clean up the kill. You have to use it like the arc bolt grenade now (which was heavily merged last year)
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3 RisposteSo if you die because you got shot 2x by a mida and someone throws a auto targeting grenade thats going to kill you slowly with almost no chance of avoiding it is being trash? Sorry but you need to learn how to use your weapons instead of relying on your grenade's. Your just mad because you need to work for your kills now instead of using the nooby burn build. Get skill dude :P
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The problem I find with the change is that the new debuff effect of Viking Funeral isn't useful in its current state. It needs to be at least 10% per stack, and last 5-7 seconds. A 5% defense debuff per stack that only lasts 2-3 seconds doesn't help anyone. Good idea, but very poor execution on their part. And its interaction with Solar Grenade is rather odd. It only activates on the initial impact of the grenade when tossed, and doesn't apply at all after that, even if an enemy that wasn't hit by it previously walks through it. The continuous damage from the Grenade isn't affected at all by the defense debuff either. Only the initial impact is affected. They really need to fix that.
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3 RisposteWarlocks are the most op class and if you can't see that then you're in denial
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1 RispondiFire bolts needed a nerf, Not viking funeral, and viking funerals damage increase and dot needs a buff
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1 RispondiWhat about fusion grenades and touch of flame? Does that sound usable?
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3 RisposteI've been running nothing but sunsinger since the nerf and still get a lot of kills. Lag still sucks but the class is still supers strong.
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3 Risposteeveryone saying run Solar grenades must have not used it before because the Nerf hit those hard too
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2 RisposteModificato da Sportsfreak5022: 6/17/2016 3:26:50 AMIdk if I am crazy or what, but I was running with normal solar grenades(no ToF/VF), with a striker and a nightstalker on my team, and for some reason when I was using solar grenades seemed to be randomly boosting my damage(like the VF buff), then randomly lowering it. It also feels like they nerfed them, I was throwing ones with VF/ToF at phalanxes and even if they stood in the grenade for the entire duration, they weren't dying. Anyone else notice that ignite damage was nerfed as well? I noticed the burn went from 7 damage in PVP to 4
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1 RispondiModificato da WulfPak666: 6/17/2016 4:44:05 AMI am fine with the Viking Funeral nerf, but if they nerfed VF (the only perk that made Fire bolts so good) what was the point of nerfing Fire bolts? Also, some things I've noticed.. Since the update, Touch of Flame does not always activate. And when it doesn't, VF is absolutely useless. When it does activate, ToF only burns for 3 seconds. (Old VF added 7-9 seconds) So, you only get that extra boost of 5% (plus 3x stack for ~15%) for only 3 seconds. Firstly, 15% max dmg is kind of unnoticeable and since they only take the dmg when they are burning (only 3 seconds) If you blink, you'll miss the entire dmg buff completely. At least with Melting Point, it lasts about 5-7seconds and the dmg buff is nearly 30-50% Cut the timer, give ToF a 7 second burn so teams can benefit from the VF buff (as small as it may be) Since they lowered the burn from 7 to 2-4dmg, it's not strong enough to burn you dead in PvP.
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Modificato da Jay5000: 6/17/2016 7:30:17 AMDear bungie you ruined my free time from work stop buffing Titans every other update and fix warlocks along with Viking funeral you made this game so only Titans can kill with Melee and grenades while warlocks can with one grenade and hunters with grenade I understand a Titan was made to be like master chief but damn it's not halo it's destiny not "bend me over and have your way"
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4 RisposteHonestly firebolts weren't the problem. It's 3 fusion nades with the class tree option and the vest. Or just double with 2 everytime you respawn with voidfang vestments. Fusions are so good and always were. So easy to stick and instantly puts some on out the game. Can also be used as a frag too!
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1 RispondiThey have made Sunsinger to have one only use in the whole game. To serve as a backup selfres in pve. They nerfed them so much it now is underpowered... Viking funeral is used to force people to back out of a battle completely, or to kill them after dying to a 1v1... Or maybe if you play very smartly in order to time the damage so that you can leave the area before dying, and still get a kill. And the only purpose of freaking fire shield is to survive 1v1 melee battles... (In pvp)...
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1 RispondiAnybody saying to use fusions might as well switch to sun breaker.
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I agree!!! Sun singers had a chance with burning grenades...no... bungie don't want you to use radiance.. they want you to use fire born and fusion grenades... f the other grenades.. but let titan have fire hammers and smash on everything. Or arrows or void or gun slinger.. or blade dance.. . Or how about anything that is not sun singer.. TRUMPS sun singers. Sad.
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2 RisposteModificato da Angelis101: 6/16/2016 3:39:19 PMFirebolts were good but not OP. They needed some tweaking. This didn't balance them at all, they were nerfed into the ground. Literally can't even kill somebody at 25% heath bad. I'm bit even sure what they're good for now.. I bet people will be tired if me plastering their face with sticky grenades. I've gotten more sticks thr last few days than I have in 6 months. Don't even get me started on how worthless our meelee is. I don't mean the shield change. I mean the burn change. You don't even notice the burn taking out your health. It does 1 damage
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3 RisposteSunsingers are trash, but not because they don't have some ridiculously overpowered grenade...they lack the abilities that make a proper support class (I.E. Buffs for teammates). Now you can apply a 5% damage buff, that stacks three times. Keep in mind that the Titan solar subclass has a melee modifier that applies a 50% damage buff for roughly the same amount of time. Other than this minor buff, and the ability to [i]slightly[/i] increase the recharge of supers/ abilities for your teammates, Sunsingers have no supportive capabilities. They suck at orb generation. The super regen buff isn't really that useful, and the damage buff is a joke. This whole subclass needs to be reworked.
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4 RisposteAm I the only Sunsinger who cares about what they have done to PvE? Seriously, the only reason it can even be used is a second life. They nerfed Fireborn, Scorch twice, Viking Funeral, etc.
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Fusion grenades are king. If you rely on firebolts you're a plebeian who needs aim assist to hold your hand.
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Warlock main here and i say get gud
