The sandbox changes weren't as destructive as I expected. It seems you've started to realize that a balancing model that involves always nerfing the most used thing is unsustainable and, with time, reduces everything to a squirt gun. But there were still a couple changes that made absolutely no sense. Once again, forum whiners for the better of you. Over time, you've completely dismissed the importance of exotics in the game. Right now, most exotics really aren't 'exotic'. Weapons like Fabian Strategy, Hard Light, Boolean Gemini fit this category. Sure, those guns make a different sound when you shoot them and have an "exotic perk", but they serve no real use that makes them better than substitutable legendaries. You have to realize that giving a gun a slightly altered version of a normal perk doesn't make it exotic.
Well, you've furthered that in this patch. You've taken a couple exotics that are some of the only ones in the game that actually warrant their exotic title, and ruined them.
The Last Word -- Can somebody tell me what was actually wrong with this weapon? I'm having trouble placing it. It's popular for the same reason MIDA Multitool is popular; because all your nerfs put them in front. But instead of addressing that issue by considering the massive depreciation of weapon quality over time, you just choose to perpetuate the goddamn issue. Instead of realizing that exotic weapons are supposed to [b]be exotic weapons[/b] and buffing the ones that aren't worth a shit, you nerf the good ones to artificially broaden the landscape. You said yourself that you want to encourage variety by making sure there are a lot of viable choices. Apparently, though, you'd rather encourage variety by nerfing whatever people use. Are you too blind to see what it's done to the game since launch? The auto rifle nerf back in 1.1.1....it was the start of a chain reaction, yet you see it as a constant balance. We know you like your graphs, Jon. Why don't you hop on excel and make a graph of the last 18 months. I guarantee you'll see a clear wall where every major nerf was made. And maybe you'll learn the simple concept of cause and effect in the process. Get crunchin'.
By taking the damage bonus away from The Last Word perk, do you know what you've done? You've reduced its exotic perk to what is essentially a slightly boosted version of "hip fire". Add that to a weapon that's already had its range and accuracy halved in the name of "balance". And to those who say "but, but, but, but we haven't seen the patch yet", please refer back to the stream. We saw just how shitty the new TLW is. He couldn't even kill a guy that was standing still. He had to reload twice.
Thorn -- The reason thorn was better than most exotics is the same reason TLW is. Because most exotics suck. But like always, you'd just rather nerf whatever people are whining about. At least the whiners are just butthurt, you're the ones turning their cries into realities, a crucible that sinks to their level; which makes you worse than them.
I expected a nerf to thorn. I knew it was coming. But I at least expected you to acknowledge the purpose of DOT. DOT, whether or not it's doing more than 2 damage (what a joke), it supposed to keep the target disengaged. By reducing the stack limit, the target is disengaged for no more than an additional second. When you compare that to normal recovery time, that's shit. And to add to that, 2 damage. 2, -blam!-ing, damage. You reassured the viewers "don't worry, DOT will rarely ever kill anymore". Well, if you're done patting the backs of every 12 year old on stream who stole mommy's credit card so they could sub to your channel, maybe you can give us an explanation for why you think 2 damage is anything worth wielding this gun over any legendary, especially take into account the reduced stack limit.
[b]Hawkmoon can 3-shot body and 2-shot head, and it doesn't take time for any DoT to finish the job either. Yet I don't see people complaining about that.[/b]
I usually conclude with a wordy conclusion, the kind that makes my professors love me. But your bullshit deserves no duplication of effort (that's what a conclusion usually is, telling you what I told you). Jon Weisnewski, you hate fun.
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1 RispondiNobody complains about Hawkmoon because half the bullets disappear.
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1 RispondiModificato da Mara Sov: 4/8/2016 3:14:59 PMThorn was already nerfed to the ground on the latest update. No idea why they decided to nerf the gun once again especially since this gun is not even receiving a Y2 version. On the next update patch i suppose it will be something like: "Thorn deals 1 point of DoT after landing 3 shoots"
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1 RispondiMurmur's perk is now more exotic than Thorn or Last Word.
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Can we all just agree that the crucible itself is just awful and move on? Cause it's awful! there's always gonna be a meta cause bungie devs suck at gun design, looks like the hawkmoon and LRoF autos are gonna be the new one next and guess what's gonna happen.....crucibaby tears everywhere. Then a few months from now another update will come and something else will get buffed and nerfed, and will there be even more crucibaby tears?..........Yes, there most certainly will, rinse and repeat. The only thing that even closely resembles fun in crucible is mayhem and that's hardly ever available cause bungie hates fun.
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Yup, mida is now officially a legendary... The high caliber rounds were only so so at best. There was no need to take its hidden perk away...
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2 RisposteModificato da SPAGHETWAGON: 4/10/2016 7:45:33 AMJust wait until year 2 Crucibabies find out what the Vex Mythoclast is.. [spoiler]and fusion rifles in general[/spoiler] [spoiler]WAAAAAHHHHHH!![/spoiler]
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After all these nerfs crucibitches will come after fusion rifles again.
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1 RispondiWell... We will see about Hawkmoon....<evil laugh>
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3 RisposteNot to sound like an arrogant dick, but sometimes, I wish I could email all my ideas directly to Bungie, and have them immediately work on implementing them. Clearly they need someone to tell them what to do, because they obviously don't have a damn clue what they're doing. They still have yet to learn from their mistakes of the past, and completely lack the creativity for proper problem solving. There are at least 10 ways to solve all these issues, but they chose to go the laziest and most thoughtless routes imaginable. And on that note, they completely disregard the other issues that plague this game, such as the broken and widely inconsistent hit detection. Not even a mention of those issues.
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Yet again Pvp ruin what we're epic guns... I used to Hawkmoon all the time in PvE no don't even touch it. Same with thorn, never really used Tlw though.
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8 RisposteTLW, unlike MIDA, actually performed at a higher level, reducing the time-to-kill significantly if you were able to land consistent hip-fire headshots. Also, full auto on a hand cannon just screams easy-mode.
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Modificato da Erijian: 4/9/2016 5:24:39 AMI guess we'll just pretend that Fanfare doesn't exist on The Last Word, and that it still has a fantastic time to kill even with the two-shot headshot gimp gone. (Sitting at 0.5s) Thorn might've lost the ability to kill with three bodyshots, but all you need to do is weave in a headshot alongside two bodyshots to achieve the same result. Let's also not forget that Thorn still has the unique ability to stop your recovery for around seven seconds. ya, nothin exotic 'bout them
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Bump for truth. Bungie has no idea what they are doing anymore (if they ever had an idea) nor what their players want from this game. Sad times.
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5 RisposteThe nerf to TLW won't have any effect to me as I almost always aimed with it anyway. Mainly for range. Only time I hipfired was for Shotgunners.
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2 RisposteMORE TEARS HAHAHAHAHA PLEASE BRING ME MORE SNIPERS AND THE LAST WORD USERS TEARS TASTE SO GOOOOD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Hawkmoon is random. DoT is not.
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14 RisposteModificato da Acehunter25: 4/8/2016 1:21:23 PMLet's not forget the only counter to hardscoping snipers got nerfed too, they castrated the mida
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Get rid of thorn for good.
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Get rid of thorn for good.
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The first time you die to someone with the Last Word you make a note and then try to keep them at a distance....... The nerf to TLW makes no sense whatsoever. I rarely use it, and can often easily put it down if I stay mid range.
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Might as well make them a blue weapon like the -blam!-
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2 RisposteRIP to TLW. The community has broken an already balance gun from the last nerf. We all might as well melee each other to death although warlocks will probably win most of the time. I honestly don't understand why Thorn needed another nerf?! Makes no sense since they're not even going to bother to bring it forward. I say fire that Jon W. guy as he has no clue to how to balance anything. Everything will probably be better when he's out of the picture. I honestly don't know how he is still employed considering of all the past fail weapon balance updates. Why can't Bungie ever really come out and just straight up say this and that gun is working as intended, so everyone just needs to GIT GUD!! Of course if they did they wouldn't have a job.
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1 RispondiStill have fan fire. Just sayin.
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As far as TLW....on the Twitch as far as I could tell the player using it wasn't hitting anything.....short of going back and watching frame by frame I'm pretty sure he had to reload simply because his sights were not on the Target. Thorn....well Thorn is a Yr1 gun so I could care less IMO.