[quote]Why wouldn't you be able to use thorn in pve anymore?[/quote] Hmmmm.... it was overpowered in PvP especially trails so it was nerfed in addition to being left in year one and will be nerfed again even though at 170 light it is useless in PvE... Do you see what I'm getting at here? Its useless in strikes, daily story, nightfall, normal and hard raid. Its only useable in patrol, which is pointless. Whether it's OP in PvP or not is irrelevant.