HC's suck nuts comapred to what they were, bungie seriously -blam!- HC's across the board with last nerf, Ive been Hc user since Day 1, i know how they used to feel and how they should and how they do feel now, and well, they suck major nut sack compared to the old days. Only Hc that is wortha crap imo in Destiny 2.0 is Ace of Spades (fully maxed ofc), havent found anything that can compete with that Hc's range, (If anybody is curious how a Hc used to feel, Ace of Spades gives a good broad idea of how they used to be)

I think auto riffle are still a joke

So yea I was playing this morning and I think the nerf to accuracy was ridiculous especially for the hawkmoon. Handcannons are so inconsistent based on factors that have nothing to do with player skill. It is almost making them not worth using unless you want to put yourself at disadvantage. check out the video. In the second engagement the target wasn't even moving and I aimed for the tippy top of his head and it registered as a body shot.

OP you have 18,000 thorn kills

Hand cannons still kill in one headshot in PvE. The raid Scout doesn't even do that. I've dominated in crucible with Hawkmoon on my Warlock and my Hunter. I ran the raid with some douche elitist was talking trash about my Imago Loop being 309. "He used a raid weapon to raise that crappy hand cannon up." More kills than him and the Ogres on my side were cleared every single time. My only complaint is the limited reserve ammo. That was uncalled for and overly done.

Few guardians have more kills with hand cannons than I have, so I can consider myself an authority in their use. I have to say, I do not understand why BUNGIE felt the need to need every hand cannon, when the issue was only with three particular exotic weapons. Legendary hand cannons have been ruined unnecessarily, they should have been excluded from this nerf. All hand cannons take skill to use, and that applies even more so when you are using legendary hand cannons, which do not have unbalanced perks like the exotic variety. BUNGIE have destroyed snapshooting with hand cannons. It is the snap, that gives you the edge in a sudden gun fight. Even more so since the 'age if the pulse/rebirth of the auto'. But, you cannot consistently snapshoot any more, sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss, but in every case your precision is questioned, were previously there were no questions. Where snapping was a skill, BUNGIE have chosen to turn it into an art form at any range, other than very close. In addition to this, the accuracy of hand guns has dropped slightly, not by much, but enough to slow down consecutive shots, due to minute aim adjustments, corrections or blatant misses that occur. In addition to this, it is impossible to consistently shoot out of close range, which means that you can be taken out by pulses and even autos at the medium range. At close range, hand cannons are out matched by all other close range weapons. Shotguns, sidearms, make you feel like your precision counts for nothing, and you really do feel like you are a fish in a barrel, with every other weapon type shooting in at you. If that was not bad enough, the magazine nerf is unforgivable. Combined with every other nerf, the reduced magazine size, makes hand cannons unusable. If like me, you plan for three rounds per kill, the penalties to snapshooting, and the random nature of shots that are close to medium range, you can find yourself firing four possibly five instead. You have to reload after every encounter, and this makes anything more than a one-for-one situation, a failure. To remedy the predicament that hand cannons find themselves in, BUNGIE have to grant parity in range with pulses and autos, they should all occupy the same range. It is a ludicrous situation to have main primary weapons operating at different ranges. Snapshooting into the medium range has to be restored. I would happily take some form of damage fall-off, over a blanket nerf to accuracy. In the close range, hand cannons should operative exactly as they did before the nerf. If snapshooting, and accuracy were improved, there would also only be a need for a modest increase in magazine size. One final rule. In all instances (up to medium range), EVERY hand cannon should kill with three precision hits. Come on BUNGIE, hand cannons were once skilled weapons, an executioners implement, and the ultimate projector of force. The issues were never about the weapon type, but particular weapons. The legendary hand cannon nerf was completely unnecessary, and this nerf in general, feels deliberate, punitive, and vindictive.

I still use hand cannons but It definitely doesn't feel the same as it used to, it just feels like something is missing

Every fps that as ever existed has pistols as SECONDARY weapons! I quit this game when hand cannons became primary.. It makes no sense. Go shot a gun.. Pistols lose in all gun fights against ar15s....

I mained a fatebringer. And now I can't find a hand common that feels like what I'm used to. I bought the fwc hand cannon but it's terrible - sad face

Fix accuracy and reserve ammo and I'd be happy.