Marines just throw grenades at corner campers.

[quote]People also cry about: -Thorn in crucible -Gjallarhorn in crucible -Not having Gjallarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -The recruitment section only asking for 34's with gjallahorn ( yes that is a stupid requirement But once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -No trading system -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times -Trying to send an invite to someone with an extremely long/crazy "xXSo0purxC0o1kiDXx"(made up Lol) after posting an LFG -When you post on LFG, " Send message in game to xXSo0purxC0o1liDXx for invite and they reply to your post on the forums instead -Blues from legendary engrams, shards and energies from legendary engramarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -No trading system -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times -Trying to send an invite to someone with an extremely long/crazy "xXSo0purxC0o1kiDXx"(made up Lol) after posting an LFG -When you post on LFG, " Send message in game to xXSo0purxC0o1liDXx for invite and they reply to your post on the forums instead -Blues from legendary engrams, motes from legendary engram -PoE 32 is much to hard! -PoE 34 is way to hard! -PoE 35 is insane to hard! -No checkpoints in POE? -Dismantling 365 weapons = motes of lights!? -Etheric light is too rare on pve -Etheric light is too easy for pvp players - PoE helmet before legs is unfair to warlock! -Treasure keys r too rare to get! -Treasure keys after update are too easy to get! -Lvl 34's are too OP in iron banner! -The lighthouse is soo unfair! -Stop having qodron! - missing ether key! -No destiny2 HoW is a lettdown! -Ether key gone? -Selling ether key to pvp'ers and to pve players![/quote]

"Magicly sense" dude it's call technology. How does radar make it harder? If we had no radar ppl would just run around with a shotgun. Blink shotgun would be even more OP.

Haha at least get one, just one piece of trials armor before making suggestions.

Call of Duty got radar right; if you shoot, you show up on the radar. This bs completely eliminates flanking and only allows for one playstyle: direct conflict. This becomes an issue because of how unbalanced the crucible is *cough cough* thorn.

No radar=No skill You would get free kills by sneaking up on people.

If there was no radar, think of how many more campers there would be (Ha)

No, then we'll have try hards camping in the corner with thorn. Just...no. Keep the radar on

I have been playing inferno control today and it has been really fun! Pvp with no radar has made it fun again. I love that you actually have to look around to find enemys instead of just knowing. And I think trails without radar is good idea, I think they should at least try it once. True, it would prolly slow the game a little but I think it would bring more joy also.

Radar = Skill and Balance No Radar = No Skill and Unbalanced How so? Everyone has a radar. Which means everyone sees where everyone is. By this, two enemies can see each other between opposing obstacles, and are able to go head on together, therefore, whoever has the better gun skill will win the fight. You can also strategize how to face your opponent based on location. So dont think radar has no "strategic" influence on the game. Radar = no skill. How so? The game would be much less based on actual skill, two enemies knowing each others location and going head on equally, and more based on luck. Say youre going out a door but take a right ? And an enemy comes from left. But because you took a right and not left, that enemy gets the kill on you. Did it take them skill to? No. Just luck. Thus the difference would cause an unbalance in gameplay.

Doesn't make a difference really most players that beat you would probably still beat you but keep dreaming lol

Argument became invalid the second you compared Metal Gear Solid to Destiny.

2 Issues with Radar: 1. It removes being able to effectively flank, which is a legitimately good strategy. If you can't outgun someone, you can out think them. Not with an active radar. 2. It reduces the effectiveness of good communication. You don't need your teammates to tell you where they are. Just look in the upper left hand corner of your screen. Communication should have a greater effect in ToO, for better or for worse.

Only problem is if they took off radar everyone would hide/camp until the overtime period and it would be incredibly boring.

How is it unfair if everyone has it?

Unfair? lol, even tho everyone has it lol.

Thank you. It's funny that people say no because of campers, but the current radar actually promotes it

You sound butt hurt trying to make a no where near realistic game, realistic just cause you suck and get dicked while you tryna be sneaky

If they did I'd have some right fun with invisibility I can image 3 guardians fuming because I backstabed one and shottyed the other 2 in the back

Shotgun campers would love that