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Modificato da ClunkerSlim:
6/3/2015 3:23:37 PM
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PoE promotes unhealthy gameplay.
A lot of these teams are taking 4 to 5 hours to complete challenge mode Prison of Elders. One guy on GameFaq said it took him 10 hours (although hopefully that's an extreme case). That's roughly 4 to 5 hours without a checkpoint system to allow for an extended break.
Long periods of gaming without breaks are unhealthy and can have dangerous results. Repetitive Motion Syndrome is very real and very painful. Not to mention other problems like obesity, arthritis, headaches, etc.
I remember as a kid that game companies would get slammed if they included long form gameplay with no ability to stop and come back to it. Now no one bats an eye. I understand that a lot of people don't take their health seriously and will blow this off. And yes, I realize that you can sit in the airlock. But I've yet to be in a game where a group sat in the airlock more than just the time it takes to use the bathroom.
PoE needs a checkpoint system. Not having one promotes unhealthy gameplay. I'm not saying that every round needs a checkpoint but there needs to be a point where players can rest and come back to it.
[b]EDIT[/b] - while not strictly on topic, Aceebro posted the following links down in the comments. I thought that they were important and relevant enough that everyone should take a look at them. They talk about [b]Humane Design[/b] and the need for games to have viable exit points. Please take a look....
http://youtu.be/GArkyxP8-n0
http://youtu.be/GqjkWec61gQ
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2 RisposteIf it is taking this long you are doing something wrong
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Yay a viable reason that they may take into account Other reasons just didn't make it to them
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2 Risposte2 hours into 32 poe one of our guys had kept getting dc'd a few times... We get to the boss and he dc' d again... We went to invite but you can't invite people before the boss.... So we had to call it.. All that time wasted for nothing.
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This post is promoting bad logic and poor reading content...also agree that if PoE takes that long - step back, watch a YouTube vid and try someone else's strategy
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2 RisposteCan't you wait in airlock for a while? I don't think there should be savepoints as these can be exploited but completely agree there should be a way to take a break.
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Seems like a lot hours geesh. Bump!
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6 Risposte4-5 hours?! My goodness! Who takes that long to complete PoE? I spent 6 hours across two nights trying to beat the Arc Burn Skolas, but that's because our strategy was poor. Which is on my team, not on Bungie. Solar was also very difficult. Void was easy, did it in just over an hour. I wouldn't say I'm bad player. I'm probably above average. If PoE level 34 takes more than 1.5 hours, you're trying to play outside of your difficulty level. A couple of buddies (34, 33, 33) managed to beat Qodron before the damage nerf in about two hours. 4 hours is absurd, 5 is egregious. I would say 28 should take no more than 40 minutes, 32 an hour, and 34 2 hours. That's the ABSOLUTE MOST, I tend to compete PoE significantly faster than that. I don't mean to take away from the point of your post. I think gamer health is a serious issue, and lately I've been trying to take breaks more often. But if it takes 4-5 hours, why not just go for a 10 minute walk in between attempts? Seems like more of a personal choice as opposed to a decision that Bungie should make for you. Kind of like when fatties blame McDonalds for being fat. They didn't make you eat the food...
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10 RisposteWhile I agree that Prison of Elders needs checkpoints, you rationale completely grinds my gears and offends my sense of self-control. Basically what you're saying is: pencils cause spelling errors and spoons make people fat. Playing a game is something we elect to do. If we decide to play games to our physical detriment, that is our fault. I hate when people try to defer personal responsibility.
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2 RisposteBut these people choose to keep at it bungie doesn't force it and it takes my team far less do complete poe than 5 hrs
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7 RisposteModificato da MastrPrototypee: 6/3/2015 7:55:07 PMI don't know where you're getting 4 or 5 hours to complete a PoE. The only time close to that I've seen is my clan mates trying to perfect a strategy for beating Skolas the last couple weeks. They could easily have done it within 2 hours, but wanted to get the strategy down pat, so they simply kept wiping. If you can't beat anything but level 32 or 34 PoE in under 2 hours, I hate to say it, but there's something wrong with your fireteam. Could I see adding a checkpoint right before the final boss? Yes. But it would have to be implemented such that only those people who have the checkpoint can enter at the checkpoint (i.e. if Guardians A, B, and C play to the final boss and have to stop, Guardian A can't then bring D and E in unless they ALSO got to that checkpoint through playing PoE). I can't imagine that would be too difficult to do, but I'm not a programmer so really have no idea. Furthermore, can you provide evidence for "a lot of these teams" please? Which teams? How many PoE completions have taken more than 2 hours at each level? Just because a couple people have complained about it doesn't necessarily mean it's a problem that affects the entire player base. EDIT - sorry, but where are your characters, Clunker? I click on your name and you don't have a profile, only membership information. How many times have you completed PoE? How many times have you completed Skolas? How long has it taken you?
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2 RisposteWe beat the 35 in under an hour most of the time. Slighly more than that on an off day. This does not apply.
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Agree completely from a healthy conscious fit person.
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12 RisposteOr or or you could just put the controller down and take a 20 and go again like we do
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1 RispondiHow about checkpoints on rounds 3 and 5 but only for the fire team members.
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Agreed. We need checkpoints.
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Besides they don't want us playing POE, they want us playing ToO.
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1 RispondiBungie didn't design it to take five hours. 34 takes my team on average 1.5 hours. If you can't complete it in a reasonable time then it's your responsibility to know when to call it quits. That being said, I see nothing wrong with checkpoints, just like the raids had.
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1 RispondiTook us 30 minutes
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1 RispondiModificato da chrisEm: 6/3/2015 4:20:08 PMPrison should 100% have a checkpoint system. Me and my group spent an hour to get to Skolas last week on 35, then we tried Skolas 5-6 times and failed and then two people had to leave. All that work for nothing. Kills the desire for me to even try it again.
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3 RisposteIt takes about an hour wtf are you talking about 5 hours
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1 RispondiBump for a good cause, it should have a checkpoint.
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1 RispondiIf you are their for 4 or 5 hours you ve been there for 3 hours to long. Seriously though your fireteam should get a check point, so the three of you could pick up where you left off.
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1 RispondiWho the hell takes 5 hours to beat a PoE? It doesn't take my team that long to beat all 3 of them. The person you mentioned took 10 hours must suck worse than anyone I've ever heard of.
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9 RisposteWho takes ten hours to beat Prison of Elders!? At what point during that spread of hours, did this guardian not question his own abilities? Perhaps at hour five he figured a new strategy, but took until hour seven to perfect it, only to find at hour eight that it was flawed, and reverted to their original strategy by hour nine, only to give up at hour ten. You can tell pretty much straight away if you can manage a task. If you cannot correctly estimate your own abilities, then it is not BUNGIE'S fault, but the fault of the guardian who is foolish enough soldier on, instead of accepting the inevitable.
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Good points, after trying 35 and spending 3 hrs trying to beat skolas I'm just not gonna do it anymore. The other levels are fun and challenging, the 35 was fun until skolas. I agree after that many hours can't be healthy. Maybe it's my skill level maybe it's too hard whatever, I know it's supposed to be a challenge and I can appreciate that but no save point is just a poor decision so it's up to the gamer to say when it's enough.
