Edit 3: stop looking at my destinytracker stats. My crucible stats went out the window when I reset my main (warlock) more than once. All that remains is the 1000 kills on my titan. Grimoire says I have around 8500 kills in total. Edit 2: if you dont fit in the poll, it probably means youre nuts at this game. Comment "im a beast, and dont belong here" if youd like. Edit: heres a short summary. Hand cannons are [u]too[/u] dominant, especially Thorn and The Last Word. If people like me, who really like the other primaries like scouts and autos, ever want to enjoy crucible, there needs to be a massive weapon balance patch. I understand hand cannons are supposed to be the top tier primary, and I hope that never changes, but every other primary should stand a better chance against them. [spoiler]No, im not freaking awesome at this game (im alright tho if i can say so myself), and no I wont use TLW or thorn. Sometimes I dont want to use a Red Hand IX or a Venation III.[/spoiler] [i]"So by not enjoying a hand cannon, I suck at Destinys multiplayer?"[/i] (I like them btw, but im sure someone out there has said it.) Theres a spoiler for the arguments, please refer to that instead of repeating the same stuff and looking for an answer/reply that I already gave, thanks. _______________________________________ Original thread- When can we get a proper weapon balance? Just put auto rifles back the way they were, buff pulse rifles more, and buff scout rifles so they are still stronger than pulse and auto rifles. Some hand cannons [u]might[/u] need a nerf after all that too, the legendaries are probably fine as they are though. Scouts should be about the same damage per second as a hand cannon, in what world would that not make sense? Autos should be able to compete with hand cannons in close range since thats the only place either are useful. Pulse rifles should still be better than autos. Hand cannons should be high risk, high reward like they were advertised at some point. (This is thrown together as example, its probably flawed if you take it seriously. The DPS is based on a single magazine and only headshots.) Ideal auto rifle DPS range 700-800 Ideal pulse rifle DPS range 785-860 Ideal scout rifle DPS range 840-950 Ideal hand cannon DPS range 930-1200 So the entire DPS range of primaries would be 700-1200. Balance. Currently the DPS range for all primaries is <597(RIP Suros)-1440 give or take a bit. This is the result of extensive testing (not in crucible). Go ahead and talk shit, im confident I know what Im talking about though. [spoiler]cue the hand cannon users making defense arguments because i said the N word. Haha theyre here. A hand cannon requires plenty of skill to use, unfortunately the main ones arent conventional hand cannons. TLW is hard to control but is still OP nonetheless. Thorn is a 3 body shot kill with a word of crota basically. Thats a no-skill gun right there, and its time to kill is wayyyy too low. [i]hand cannons require way more skill than an auto rifle[/i] Not much or not at all. Holding your line of fire on an enemies head constantly (who is most likely strafing) might be harder than squeezing a trigger a few times as your reticle passes the enemies head. Depends on the person and the gun, and this post is about weapon preference. I didnt say break hand cannons or make autos better anyway, I said make them capable of competing. Which means if you truly are good with a hand cannon you wont even be bothered. [i]Idk man I just like using the last word it just a fun gun to use[/i] Well its bound to be someones favourite gun, I mean I even like the thing. Im just saying it should be used for that reason, instead of its crazy killing power. Well what im actually saying is all primaries should be more similar, power wise. Gun preference and diversity is the true goal though. [i]Red Death is great! Just use that.[/i] (x23) So its a 3-gun multiplayer.. My bad. I did back when I didnt hate crucible so much, and its not one of my favourite guns. Thats also not a long term solution of any type. Need [b]more[/b] guns that compete. [/spoiler]