a good start would be not facing kids who already went flawless 18 times our first 3 out of 4 games that would be a real good start

Trials is "end-game" content. What PvP people fail to understand is that "end-game" doesn't mean you have to be a godly player to complete it. This isn't a MLG tourney where the top teams are competing for real money. This "you need to be godly" attitude is like saying PvE players must be as good as world's first raid teams or Esoterickk in order to complete a raid or other PvE "end-game" content. That's just stupid. Should it be easy to go Flawless? No, but you shouldn't need to be a PvP god to do it either. Trials is going to continue it's spiral death spin unless Bungie makes some serious changes to how loot is earned and how teams are matched in order to make it appealing for average skill players to jump in. I can understand average players needing a carry to go flawless, but you shouldn't need a carry to get 3-4 wins. It's really not hard to fix it. Make it easy to get [i]some[/i] loot... Weekly bounties reward gear, 1 armor, 1 weapon. Remove tokens on season reset, not weekly reset. Make going flawless more rewarding and make the chest farmable (maybe it already is???) Add Mods (weapon and armor) that are only active in Trials and they can only drop from the lighthouse chest. Make "adept" weapons which are the only weapons that can slot the Trials weapon mods. Adept weapons can only come from the lighthouse chest. Make it so weapon mods do not have a chance to drop until an associated adept weapon has been earned. Keep the Card/Connection based matchmaking but add team skill based matchmaking to decide the final team matchups. Example (number of teams may vary): Card and Connection rules narrow the pool of teams to 10. These teams are then sorted from best to worst and then the teams are matched in order. So team 1 plays team 2, team 3 plays team 4 and so on. The skill gap between teams could still be huge, but at least the best team in that pool is not playing the worst team. The goal is to give each team the best chance to win.

Who didn’t see this coming? Try-hards have been complaining for months over sbmm because they don’t want to sweat their nuts off. They want to stomp players like me. Period. It’s so clear it hurts. Trials has zero incentive for average players to go near it. So all the sweatlords have to play each other. Sweatlords also don’t want average players to get the same rewards that they earn by being good. Trials needs to rain loot so people like me play. There needs to be adept weapons so good players get their reward that I’ll never get. If it’s raining loot then the cheating and paid carries will slow down. There just won’t be demand for it. Optional fix: add seasonal quests that reward adept weapons. That way I can earn an adept weapon by doing something difficult, but not impossible due to my skill level. How did this get bungled?

A pinnacle PVP, team-required sweaty playlist where only people who go undefeated indefinitely truly ‘succeed’ is kind of meant for the top 5% of players. Like, that’s the point. It was the point back 4 years ago too.

PvP is unenjoyable for a majority of players. Forget about Trials. Concentrate on the core of PvP and then better things will fall in place elsewhere. Special weapon over usage is still one of the main contributions to the shit show of crucible. It’s just not fun to continuously get rushed by shotguns or laned by snipers/fusions.

Getting repeatably stomped on I can live with. Not overly fun, but meh, whatever. I’m not a god level player and have zero ambitions to go to the lighthouse etc. Be nice but I know I’ll never see it. What pisses me off the most is you need three wins to turn in tokens. Been playing for hours. I have 100 tokens. Can’t do anything with them because I can’t get more then two wins. I don’t think I’m asking for much to be able to randomly get something with my tokens for letting every other destiny team get free wins from me all weekend.

I never found Trials very much fun because I’m not that good at PvP. That didn’t stop me from playing Trials every weekend of D1 Year 2. We would rarely get to 3 wins, never mind flawless, but we played because we could get a chance at gear every weekend by completing the gold bounty. I wound up with the full armour sets on each character plus all of the weapons. They weren’t the ‘cooler’ adept versions, but they were a great reward for all the hours spent getting destroyed by better teams. The rewards were changed in D1 Year 3 so that the gold bounty would only give gear from year 2. I stopped playing Trials and so did my friends. Now, here in D2, I’d need 3 wins to be allowed to cash in tokens. I know that’s not gonna happen so I still don’t play. I’m not angry, upset or bothered at all by the Trials setup. Just saying why I did play a lot before, but don’t play at all now.

Trials was never meant to be fun for the majority of players, What are you on about? It's always been for the small portion of PvP players who want a chance to be challenged and get rewarded for doing so. If you want to roll on people or have "fun" go to quick-play, want something more you have comp, want to be challenged go to Trials. There is literally no need to make this a casual orientated game-mode.

1 of 2 things need to happen. Or maybe both. You are supposed to match players with similar win on their current card. This is impossible, due to people resetting their cards to farm tokens and what not. Trials needs to be adjusted to nobody being allowed to reset their cards either until they have 3 losses or they have gone flawless. Teams are using LFG to farm tokens, and reset after wins. Thats gate keeping and shouldn't be allowed. The 2nd thing could be once you go flawless, you're done for the day. Come back tomorrow. At the current rate Trials is going, it will be dead soon. Players won't want to play it. In D1 you could just go in, participate and turn your tokens in for weapons/armor. NOW, You're forced to win to get said weapons. Look at LFG right now lol, people are advertising PAID flawless carries which is against ToS btw. People are only asking to get people to just win 3 games and quit. People looking for teams to reset after each win to farm tokens and KD. Fix the game mode or just remove it and never revisit it again because it's not working.

People will constantly misunderstand what top-tier players mean by Trials being an endgame PvP activity and so it is meant for sweats. When players say that, they really mean [i]flawless[/i]. Nobody thinks that average players shouldn’t be rewarded for participating in Trials, they just shouldn’t be rewarded flawless loot (which as of right now there is essentially none). The problem with Trials is two-fold: The token system in place is simply dysfunctional. It not only gates players who cannot win 3 games (as trivial as it may seem to better players) but it also makes token farming the first three wins infinitely more productive than continuing onward. Solutions: -Tokens should not go away at the end of the week if there will continue to be a loot pool that isn’t restricted to the four pieces available that week. Tokens can be reset on a seasonal basis (or before new loot is added) to prevent players from hoarding stockpiles. -The amount of tokens gained per win is too little overall. Make the amount of tokens you gain per win/loss escalate based on the wins you have on your card. So game one may stay at 3 per win, 1 per loss but game 7 should be somewhere around 15-20 per win, and maybe around 7-9 per loss. This would encourage better players to get the hell out of the first three games and grow a pair. -Flawless chest should reward a bundle of tokens (20-40,maybe more for first flawless of the week). Again, get skilled players out of the first three wins. -Post-Flawless/7-win games should continue to grant bonus tokens (maybe around 10-15. Basically it would give more for 7 wins than resetting your card and getting 7 wins would get you). Great players will stay on massive streaks and stay out of the first 7 wins entirely for longer. -Weekly bounties grant a random weapon or armor. Stop gating people out of the rewards. These random rewards would also be added to your Trials engram loot pool and so players would be able to open packages after completing one of the weeklies, removing the three-win requirement while maintaining the sense that you can’t open a package that only drops things you’ve earned without earning any of it. And the second problem is that there is no flawless loot other than two emblems and temporary glows (which, if I don’t want to run those emblems, is stuck in yellow). These are [b]not[/b] rewards: -Add Adept weapons which intrinsically have Celerity (maybe have it toned down a little on these weapons as Celerity seems much better than Last Resort was in D1). -Add a Flawless armor set whose glows are permanent and the color can be changed without wearing an emblem. Normal armor set will still glow for two weeks and can still be changed by the emblems. -Ascendant Shard is guaranteed every flawless. Add 1-3 enhancement prisms as an additional reward that can randomly drop. Rewarding average players is important but a lot of the problem can be solved by also rewarding these high-level players so that these average players can have good games and potentially bag a flawless themselves. Good players want average players to play because it keeps the playlist fresh and alive (not just stomps—better queue times, better matchmaking, not facing the same team three times in a row, etc.) Really one of the biggest issues with Trials isn’t the elitist attitudes or the gamemode itself, it’s Bungie’s unwillingness to add rewards to players who deserve it. Destiny 2 has been all about participation trophies, a stark contrast from the generally better received Destiny 1, which wasn’t afraid to give players who excelled in different facets of the game exclusive, flashy loot but also still gave average and lower-end players rewards to chase that were comparable. Whether you are a PvE raid god or a PvP Trials god, you still had trophies and accomplishments you could feel good about. This game is severely lacking in those and doesn’t even do well to give the average players loot. Basically the best get all the loot but none of it feels meaningful because the method of obtaining them is trivial for good players, whereas the average players get little to nothing just to hold up the illusion that these endgame rewards are actually special.

The Crucible population just keeps getting smaller and more toxic by the day. It's not sustainable. It will be funny to watch it implode though.