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Modificato da FL00FING AB0UT:
8/10/2019 6:03:45 PM
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Erentil is out of control
It really is. It’s the only thing that has no counter other than using it (edit: this was poorly phrased, better is, “one of the best counters is using an Erentil yourself.”)) And the range it can one shot is game breaking. With Magazine perks such as Under Pressure and other stability enhancements, it can outgun other weapons at 30+ meters. This outmatches the range of every special but snipers, but for obvious reasons, they leave you vulnerable. Other fusion rifles seem to be in check, but for some reason Erentil FR4 is exceedingly effective as a weapon. With scavenger perks, players are able to use this weapon as a main weapon without needing to use anything else. Yes. I’m whining. But it’s also ridiculous.
Edit: So many people are upset that I’ve targeted ONE weapon. Guys. If it’s so easy to counter, why are you trying so hard to keep it as is?
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Erentil is too much at the moment. Wizened Rebuke and even the odd Main Ingredient are the only other Fusions that are consistent (obviously not at the same range as Erentil), but that is dependant on their rolls. The problem with Fusions is that they are just so inconsistent unless you get the absolute perfect roll. Shotguns on the other hand are so easy to use (imo) even with just an ok roll. I've got a Last Man Standing that I use for PvE (One Two Punch/Graverobber, lovely roll) but even that feels like it destroys in the Crucible. I'd say nerf the Erentil range a tad, but Bungie needs to either add more consistent Fusions or take a look at the current Fusions. By consistent, I'm just talking about the bolt spread. Erentil is just dead on its target with most rolls.
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apologies for the downvote, but it’s the only thing lately that keeps me sane vs shotguns 🤙
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1 RispondiI would add that Erentil and other high impact FRs are dangerous when paired with OEM or anything else that lets you know exactly where your target is, since you can then just time your charge up accordingly.
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Modificato da Predator: 8/10/2019 7:08:05 PMBruh, everyone knows it's all about the Techeun Force. Also the reason people are not cool about nerfing fusions is because that's all Bungie did in D1, instead of nerfing the problem fusion they nerfed them as a whole and made them pretty useless.
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7 RisposteI enjoy using it coz it stops shotty crutches from being a cancer to my game
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In my experience, the ones that die the most to my fusion rifles are the ones running straight at me with a shotgun, running straight at me to shoulder charge me, or pretty much standing still like a deer in the headlights trying to snipe with Bygones and just begging to get vooped. Can Erentil kill at crazy long ranges with the right perks? Oh hell yes it can but only if the person on the receiving end is pretty much just standing there asking for it. If the target is moving, even just a little bit, the chances of pulling off a long range one shot kill decrease dramatically, and with Erentil having a pretty long charge time, that Bygones from across the map is gonna delete me. Erentil is great (only with the right perks), but I wouldn't say it's "out of control." You have to be a PERFECT candidate for deletion if you get killed by it at long range. If you move, they miss so try moving around more?
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Erentil is good but I still use Telesto even after the nerf. Still the best pvp fusion and great shotgun counter in my opinion. You can still punish shotgun crutchers by baiting them and shooting the floor or wall and the damage is still good enough to destroy people at a fairly lengthy distance.
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Erentil and other fusions like it have 2 counters that come to mind: 1: Hug cover and corners tightly so all the bolts don't hit and kill you. 2. Bait the vooper into wasting their shots then take them out. Everything in this game has 1 or multiple counters.
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14 RisposteModificato da FataLVisioN_Oo: 8/10/2019 6:32:30 PMWhy are people trying so hard to keep it as is? Because it's a fun weapon archetype. It's also the only reliable fusion archetype. When you said all the other fusions seem to be in line (aka pretty garbo) the reverse logic to that is low impact high rof shotguns seem to be in line.. every other shotgun archetype needs a nerf because they are viable. That's just.... dumb. Fun in the crucible? Nerf it. It counters a play style? Nerf it. I died this one time? Nerf it.
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Congrats, have a downvote, you've already collected so many! Calling for nerfs on a fusion rifle, genuinely, damn son, damn.....
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1 RispondiI wouldn't say its the gun cause if you aim right with any good fusion you can map people i would say for the current meta especially on pc it is balanced but when compared to shotguns like retold tale and dusk rock blues erentil or anything like it is not a problem i don't know maybe on consoles it is a problem but if you are to put i up against any decent player on pc who's using one of the name shotguns it doesn't compare as these shotgun are almost snipers in there range with the right perk rolls I can see that on certain maps erentil and other fusion rifles can be a problem but i would only see them as a massive problem if they fired like 140 rpm shotguns or even 60 rpm shotguns. So as of right now i would not say that fusions as a whole or even just erentil is the problem i would say it is just a problem with the meta and fusions just happen to be good along with the maps being short to medium range it does not help with fusion rifle range as they are made to be of perfect use on these maps by design.
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1 RispondiAny fusion with backup plan is what you should REALLY be aiming for... While most youtubers show the max range with perks such as these, what they don’t realize that the TRUE DISTANCE is NOT this much. If a guardian is moving at certain distances, then the range of it one shot kill range is SIGNIFICANTLY lowered, due to how hard it is to pull off a kill at a moving target from that distance. Why do you never see people sniping with fusions in equinox? That’s right, because it doesn’t work like that. It’s why backup plan is chose NEARLY every time instead. To be honest, o used the curated tempered dynamo from scourge of the past more then the erintil, because strangely, I prefer it. It’s not as bad as you think. You nerf the erintil, that’s honestly NOT going to solve your problem. There are SO MANY more options to chose from and EVERY ONE is more then capable of doing the job. Precision frame fusions are actually very much viable in the crucible.
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7 RisposteModificato da Doctor_Roidberg: 8/10/2019 8:44:14 AMIt’s not Erentil. It’s high impacts in general. Wizened Rebuke and Loaded Question are just as nasty. Throw on two scavengers and you can actually get Reservoir Burst on Loaded Question which makes it even WORSE 😂 Reservoir 🅱️urst Hella fun tho. Shotgunning still takes less skill. Peace
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6 RisposteYou've targeted Lunas and NF and now Erentil you're pathetic kid.
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3 RisposteI agree... but I was playing rumble against like 4 people running Erentil and I got pissed off and just grabbed Lord of Wolves. I honestly never used the second state so I clicked it on and... Well, "Releasing the Wolves" against all the Erentils resulted in like a 13 or so streak. By the end of it, I had a few just running up for free kills to end the match. It... was definitely an experience. Anyone who was there has my condolences.
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3 RisposteHere's loaded question for ya; do you even voop, bruh?
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Oh poor little baby must have had a bad game against a fusion rifle user lol You people that cry about shit are hilarious. There is a reason none of the top PvP players use fusion rifles on comp. Fusion rifles are really just a quick play thing to catch people off guard. If you’re fighting someone you know to be using a fusion rifle it’s extremely easy to counter them and bait them to waste their ammo. They will never be as easy and reliable as a shotgun in close quarters. Even a god rolled erentil with backup plan is no match for a skilled shotgun user. Backup plan only lasts for 2 seconds and takes 5 seconds of the weapon being stowed to be ready again. If you’re blindly running in and trying to ape that’s your own fault and it may as well have been any weapon you died to. But sure keep crying about Erentil.
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I suck, and I have no more problem countering it, than I do countering snipers, juuton, or any other long range ohk weapons.
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1 RispondiLook, it is strong sure because it can kill so fast. But it won't work in all situations. Don't try to outgun it 10m away because it will kill you in one shot vs say three shots with a Lunas Howl. Out manoeuvre it.
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11 RisposteI've seen one Erentil in like a month. Is this a console thing?
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Modificato da Kishi: 8/10/2019 5:28:49 PMA lot of people are getting the pinnacles in pvp like it’s candy... I can’t finish a single comp without somebody taking it out. I’ve had my Luna’s howl since it’s been out , about 2800 kills with this gun. That’s all I used for months an I play pvp a lot, I’m really good at pvp. I went up against a titan with erentill, he had almost 4000 kills, the range was almost -blam!-in maxed out along with the damage... an I guarantee he didn’t have the gun for a -blam!-ing month
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8 RisposteSorry but not sorry, did you expect I was gonna stand there as some monkey with Traction stompees and a shotgun blew my face off ??? With erentil I dont have to worry what creature is aping from the sky.
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1 RispondiI occasionally run into players that absolutely destroy me and my teammates over and over with the Erentil, but I rarely see anyone using it. Maybe people are using more, but I honestly don’t get killed by it frequently enough to take note. The weapon that dominates me frequently is the exotic fusion rocket launchers...because my dodging skills are not “gud”.
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1 RispondiI’ll never understand people who complain about a specific special weapon, as if any one of them isn’t annoying and overused. The way special ammo works in PvP is awful in general.
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While the weapon is annoying, it's not a problem. It can be countered/beaten just like any weapon in the game, it's just the new 'it' weapon due to youtubers/streamers. Also, to make it like you're saying, you have to get specific perks, which everyone doesn't have. I already know you're gonna ask: how do you counter it? When 1v1 and/or facing/knowing you are engaging, the easiest/best thing you can do is get the person to miss. Also, since they have to charge it, you can kill them before they kill you. If you don't know the person is there, or he/she is engaging you while you'll fighting another, you'll more than likely die, but that happens with any weapon.
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No. It isn't. I get killed by the pinnacle weapons way more than fusion rifles. And snipers. If your sick of the fusions it is because of map design. Fusions should be as rewarding as a slide or jump shotgun, or a sniper sitting down a ally. Having to pre fire a fusion comes as its cost. And backup plan is the same as snapshot sights on a sniper, allowing for quick scoping. If scouts were viable then people could sit outside fusion range. I'm sick of snipers because there is few counter plays to it. Turn corner, dead. Maybe stop charging corners.
