Sell them for silver and it shuts down recov services (which have been driving honest players out of comp for 2 season straight) immediately. No player would want to pay more money and risk losing their account over a gun when they could buy it direct. All that money (and I’m not joking when I says a minimum of 100k) that has gone to recovery services would have gone straight to Bungie and their warchest since everyone wants to pretend like they are poor and have to get paid for silver or go under. All they need to do is leave the quests active in the game so players who want to get it legit (or just not spend more money on the game when they already have spent so much at this point) can do so. Just like they should sell cosmetic lootboxes direct so player can get the specific item they want AND keep the prismatic matrix for players who want to earn specific items by playing the game. If you apply both sides then everyone gets what they want. More options not less please. Before you react. Read everything I said and think about it.

We can agree to disagree but I’m against pay to win in games.

It’s not pay to win if you can earn the weapon in game. Pay to win means there is an item in the store that gives you a competitive advantage and you have to buy it not earn it. Open your eyes the game is already pay to win, people are just paying recovery services instead of paying Bungie.

That is literally the definition of pay to win, sorry I actually enjoy having to play the game to get items and like the feeling of accomplishment when I get said reward I’ve worked for. What next add 1K voices and Anarchy to eververse?

[quote]That is literally the definition of pay to win, sorry I actually enjoy having to play the game to get items and like the feeling of accomplishment when I get said reward I’ve worked for. What next add 1K voices and Anarchy to eververse?[/quote] You didn’t read and think about it. That’s too bad. 1) It’s not pay to win unless the only way to obtain it is micro transactions. 2) It doesn’t matter what you like. If Bungie selling the guns is pay to win then the game is already pay to win. People just pay other players to get it for them instead of Bungie.

I’m honestly getting tired of arguing this with you, your acting as if Bungie is remotely considering this as well and like it’s a change that’s coming. What you are suggesting in any other game would be called Pay to Win. Your suggesting because an end game pinnacle weapon is hard to get that everyone should just be able to buy it with silver. Get gud if you want Luna/NF so much and if not you can pay someone to get it for you and than still be bad once you have it cause you didn’t do the work to get it.

[quote]I’m honestly getting tired of arguing this with you, your acting as if Bungie is remotely considering this as well and like it’s a change that’s coming. What you are suggesting in any other game would be called Pay to Win. Your suggesting because an end game pinnacle weapon is hard to get that everyone should just be able to buy it with silver. Get gud if you want Luna/NF so much and if not you can pay someone to get it for you and than still be bad once you have it cause you didn’t do the work to get it.[/quote] I never said it was a change that’s coming. I said it was a positive change that would benefit Bungie and the whole player base. If they did it two seasons ago they wouldn’t need to come to us crying poor now. They would have all the money that has gone to pay recovery services. Then I explained that it’s not pay to win. Which it isn’t because there is an option to get it through playing the game. I didn’t suggest any of that crap you said I did. If the gun isn’t over powered and people will still be bad then how is it pay to win? That would be “pay to have but still lose because you’re bad”. I don’t even suggest this change because I want Luna but can’t get it legit, but because people already pay for the gun. They have for two seasons. I suggest it because it would be revenue for Bungie and would clean up the comp playlist over night.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=pay-to-win&amp=true ^^^ definition of Pay to Win

From a crowd sourced slang website. Lol.

Sorry do I really need to find a website that you will agree on definitions for now? Of course there is no definition of Pay to Win in Webster’s. If they added Luna’s/NF to silver store for let’s say $250 Luna’s $500 NF and let’s say even 50% of the overall players end up having the weapons what do you think will happen to other 50% of player base? It would absolutely break crucible and drive players away in droves from the game. Yes Bungie would make some money right now but remember what I said in my original point of this post about “sustained profit”. Selling items that will imbalance the game by huge margins and causing customers to leave the game is not really a good idea.

[quote]Sorry do I really need to find a website that you will agree on definitions for now? Of course there is no definition of Pay to Win in Webster’s. If they added Luna’s/NF to silver store for let’s say $250 Luna’s $500 NF and let’s say even 50% of the overall players end up having the weapons what do you think will happen to other 50% of player base? It would absolutely break crucible and drive players away in droves from the game. Yes Bungie would make some money right now but remember what I said in my original point of this post about “sustained profit”. Selling items that will imbalance the game by huge margins and causing customers to leave the game is not really a good idea.[/quote] Yes you do, because if you look at the definitions from the site you picked (which is obviously horrible) they are laughably bad. They also don’t come close to the typically agreed on definition of items sold in a game that give the player an advantage over player that don’t buy them. If players have an option to earn the items through game play...guess what? You don’t have to pay. The “hypothetical” is exactly what did happen for those guns through recovery services. People paid that much money to have other people play on their accounts to earn the guns. It has been rampant. The difference is none of that money went to Bungie. It went to parasites instead (most of the people who argue hard against the idea are usually people running recovs because they would be out of business the day Bungie put those guns in Eververse). They would never price them at that. Probably more like $25/$50 which is why recovs would go out of business. Players who want to pay could pay far less with no risk to their account and happily know the money is going back into the game. “The other 50%” would either play to get them, or never get them. The crucible is so broke that half the players don’t even touch it in a day anyway. Playing for it would be a lot easier without all the recov teams, especially the ones using cheats and ddossing to quick wins because it’s not their account being risked. Also you can’t have it both ways. Either the guns are imbalanced and are so bad for the game they drive players away and should be removed, OR unskilled players having the guns can’t use them well enough to gain an advantage, in which case it isn’t Pay to Win. Pick one. There is a reason I always say “read and think before you reply”. I used to say the same bullshit about it being Pay2win. Then I thought about it and realized that it’s actually the best thing for the health of be game to do. It’s really too bad Bungie didn’t have the stones in Forsaken to do it and not have crucible destroyed by those two guns. They also won’t have the stones to do it in the future because they are worried about backlash from a bunch of people who don’t understand what they are talking about calling it pay to win.

We are really just wasting time here man