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Modificato da Evskii:
10/12/2018 2:44:07 PM
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Cluster Strat isn’t a “Cheese”
It’s maxing out DPS and using classes to their max potential. If you consider that a cheese, please never play another MMO of any sort because everyone will hate you and I don’t want you to have to deal with that. Literally the entire point of games like this are to min max your character and use them to their fullest potential.
Now if you had to glitch something to get it to work, I’d say it’s definitely a cheese. But you don’t have to glitch anything. Just pump out enough DPS with the correct load out.
Edit: as per request I’m clearing something up. I don’t think destiny is a full blown mmo but it is an mmo lite.
Edit 2: to be clear, I consider a cheese anything that glitches the game in some way. For example, pushing atheon of the ledge is a cheese because you skip damage to him. Riven isn’t a cheese because you still have to do the damage to her. That’s just my opinion obviously
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No, it's not a glitch, but it is a cheese because it skips the intended mechanics of the fight It's the exact same thing as melting Kalli without cleansing any plates. You're killing the boss in a way that bypasses the mechanics that are normally required This is a bad thing because it gives players chances at the raid loot (specifically 1k voices) even if they arent good enough to do it legitimately (yes, I think raid loot should be exclusive to those who can complete those encounters legitimately)
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1 RispondiI’ve only got 2 clears. I’ve done it “legit” and I’ve done the “cheese” honestly, I don’t care HOW you beat riven. If you’re not unplugging your Ethernet cable to freeze the boss mid mechanic, then I don’t care how you do it. It’s pretty absurd to come on here and trash on people for playing the way they choose. The only real trophy from this raid is the 1k voices, so, forgive people if they want to get things done as quick as possible. Nothing anyone is doing has ANY effect on YOUR gameplay. TLDR: play how you want
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It doesn't really matter what you call it and I'm not against the strat but technically if it's not the way it was designed to be done then it's a "cheese".
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2 RisposteThat people are trying to pass this off as some sort of high level skill strategy is the most pathetic thing of all. Don't worry so much about what others think, just own your cheese you little scrubulator.
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2 RisposteModificato da A.S.A.: 10/12/2018 8:28:23 AMYou are brute forcing your way skipping intended mechanics. It's a cheese. Don't care, do it or not. All speedruns using it should be invalid however. Edit: mmo lite??? So what's the definition of a mmo/ mmo lite these days? 6 players? 24 in a tower hub? Is call of duty, battle field and cs go with private 24+ server players now considered MMOish?
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Cheesing is using an unfair/broken mechanic. You're talking about exploitation.
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3 RisposteModificato da TheWagn: 10/12/2018 2:31:42 PMYou skip like all the mechanics it is most definitely a cheese. I don't think the fight was intended to last 5 minutes. I guess you are abusing the systems in place but I'm pretty sure the overload of damage glitches out the boss somehow to take more damage than it should. They will probably patch her health to gate at certain points so you have to at least do one phase correctly.
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2 RisposteYou say it’s not a cheese, but it’s clearly not how bungie designed the encounter and so this is obviously an oversight which they will correct. Paint it however you want, if you think they’re going to standby and watch everyone burn the boss down in a few seconds after spending tonnes of time and resources designing the raid encounter, you’ve got another thing coming.
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9 RisposteYes it is. Don't argue semantics I've done it too. Since D1 of it skips the mechanics it's as cheesy as it comes. It's not as bad as despawning -blam!-in adds but it's cheesy. It is maximizing damage potential as you say but it's also cheese. If it's something they clearly didn't intend or completely foresee its cheese. If they spent all that time making all these other important mechanics that need to be followed and you don't have to do any... it's cheese. I could understand if you still had to do symbol call outs and weak spot hits and then did a one phase that wouldn't be cheese but this skips all that. As a community we're almost as bad as the Pokémon community that adamantly defends and who cheats to level Pokémon and get perfect IVs. Their argument is that "it's about the strategy and choice of Pokémon not training them" but it's also against their rules and not intended. We as a community shame people who want to do things legit and pretend "it's a strategy". I know the comparison is different but we still defend cheesing too much.
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Exactly how is this not a cheese? You literally bypass 90% of the mechanics, you skip floors 2 and 3, you don’t stagger to call out which eyes are glowing, don’t shoot eyes at all, completely skip the main damage faze of shooting the blisters. When ever you bypass this amount of the mechanics it a cheese, for you people arguing that this is a legitimate strategy sure it is a legitimate strategy called the the cluster bomb [u]cheese[/u] strategy. If you can’t beat it the way it was intended either get good or get a better team. The only time this raid is hard is if you under level or don’t have experience. Once you meet level requirements and have experience this is actually a very easy raid
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4 RisposteYou skip several mechanics by waiting for a certain moment to make that happen (otherwise you have to wipe, for that "strat" to work). So yes, it is a cheese. It is not just clusterbombs and huge dps as so many say. Bungie will certainly fix this.
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9 RisposteI honestly don’t know why so many people are on the Defense saying that it’s not a cheese, If it bypasses mechanics is a cheese plain a simple. Bungie will fix it eventually and then we’ll see what you guys have to say
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Look at all the people who are terrible and cant do the fight trying to justify the cheese 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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It’s abusing a certain mechanic in the raid to cut out the majority of the encounter. Literally. I don’t understand how it’s not a cheese
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Depends on how you look at it (and this is coming from someone who has done the cluster bomb strat 6 times.) The intent behind the Riven encounter is to shoot the boils on her body to do large chunks of damage. To get there, you need to solve various puzzles. Doing the cluster bomb strat circumvents a great majority of the encounter, which is what cheeses typically do. With that, I agree to your point that the whole purpose in PVE in games like this is to max out damage, so to that extent, it isn't. Depends on how you look at it.
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i see alot of elitist crap in this thread... but heres the rub. if the fight was genuinely fun and engaging going through the whole dance around the rooms etc. would folk skip the fun? NO the fact lots of folk find it not fun enough to want to do it is on bungie. lets be honest the fight is unforgiving. someone shoots a wrong eye ten minumtes in and its over. thats not fun for lots of people. lots of those advocating only doing it the long way run with the same team all or most of the time, in those cases they might find it fun, eveyone knows who does what and it flows nicely. but for most folk its just not that fun experience, so its better to just melt and move on. this is a failure of bungie to realise over reliance on convoluted mechanics are simply not fun for lots of players. why do you think shuro,chi is the least popular part of the raid? becuase its the most heavily burdened by mechanics , and least forgiving when a mehcanic fails.
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124 RisposteModificato da Wicked_Winnie: 10/11/2018 4:20:22 PMRiven cheese IS a cheese.... total cheap tactic to completely avoid the fight mechanics. Cheap, dirty and only players with no skill need to resort to using it. It is NOT a "strat". A strat is what you use to meet the requirements of the fight, not something you use to AVOID it. Do what you want you dirty cheesers. My team does the full fight (and it's hella FUN as designed), we do not cheese it at all. We'll be laughing when it gets fixed and the scrubs all start shedding those salty tears because they can't do the REAL fight. Bungie FIX THE CHEESE!
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9 RisposteMMO usually refers to games with a massive player base on one server at any given time and I’m sure as hell not going to liken it to an mmo with no means for social interaction from within the game itself! KIDS THESE DAYS, LIKE TO USE WORDS THEY HAVE HEARD BEFORE BUT FORGET THE CONTEXT TO WHICH THEY WERE USED! It’s not an RPG It’s not an MMO FFXIV is an MMO and I play that! WoW is an MMO Tera Black Desert online too and all the aforementioned are RPG with extensive tools to tinker! Destiny is a generic FPS period!
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There is no way these virgins are getting mad about it being a cheese or not. Who gives a -blam!- if people use cluster bomb strat or not. It’s a video game, if you care that much, it just means you’re a loser.
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3 RisposteChrist, who cares? At higher light levels the Riven fight "legit" is only a time sink and doesn't offer any challenge besides taking a really long time and being really boring. Doing it with cluster rockets, cheese or not, is faster and gives you time to focus on other stuff. But sure, if you're a true nerd you can join those few fireteams striving to do the Riven fight the "real" way which was intended (and at that spend 30-45 more minutes on a raid that shouldn't take more than one hour to complete)
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Rivens been one-roomed with Edge Transit and Rat King. LOL.
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I don’t think it really matters. If people just want to get to the chests and try for a 1k voices let them. If they want to do it legit for a sense of accomplishment then go ahead. Do I think bungie should patch it? No not really. Random groups make the riven encounter a whole hell of a lot harder than it should be. Having an alternative method to finishing it helps out the people looking for a quick finish and the people who have thought times with random groups and people who have a hard time learning mechanics.
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It is, but its not a glitch. Cluster Bombs normally fall after the inital rocket hit. Since Rivens weakpoint is in her mouth, the rockets have no way of falling onto white numbers like they would in Calus.
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Cluster makes some valid points and i agree that eververse should be removed from the game.
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No. It's not a cheese, it's an easy strategy
